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DXWarlock
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I don’t disagree with Vurt on the concept. I disagree with the leap from “LLMs reply in ways that look like thinking/reasoning” to “therefore they are actually thinking and reasoning.”
We just do not know that. We still do not understand the black box well enough, so I’m wary of applying traits to it just because what it does looks similar to the only example of reasoning we actually know: us.
It may or may not be. But I cannot myself defend that it surely is. Because I see results that may only mirror/mimic it.
It feels like seeing output that resembles reasoning and then concluding it must be reasoning, which is like hearing a parrot speak and deciding it understands language.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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41 more to go my man, you can do it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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Shit, that means like 90% of podcasts are podslop: 51% are human made slop, 39% are AI made slop.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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vurt
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 11:02 Post subject: |
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AI content is kind of annoying, i especially hate when i see it directed to older people and the comments are filled with "bless your heart" and with hundreds of thousands of views and not a single comment that it's AI.
You can since long have a human avatar which looks 95% human like, the one thing i don't think it does well is the blinking of the eyes. I have been fooled in the past but now when i know what to look for i can tell pretty quickly, same with AI voices, i can almost always tell but it can take a while before you realize its AI, it gets very one-note.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 12:17 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately most people aren't as smart to spot this and get influenced by whatever the post is trying to convey
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 12:35 Post subject: |
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Old people are fucking stupid and the young ones are becoming anti-AI luddite fundamentalists, it's going to be fun times ahead.
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LeoNatan
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | young ones are becoming anti-AI luddite fundamentalists, it's going to be fun times ahead. |
LLM is not AI. But young people by large are not "anti-LLM", not by a long shot. Every 30yo and younger I know religiously ask Ciatto Geppetto religiously for advice  even the most mundane shit. They speak to them like it's their friend. I do wonder how many of them would willing to pay the actual cost of running LLM servers once the bubble pops. At this point, looks like easy money to me, since young people seem to have lost the ability to think for themselves. |
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LeoNatan
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Since there is no AI yet, there is no such catastrophe in sight.
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vurt
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lol we know your opinion, no need to spam it on every page, we really dont care.
what would make you an expert in the field anyways , you believe you are the new Alan Turing and have better arguments as to what AI would be? I'd love to hear one. Have you even trained a LLM, even made a simple fine tune? You can't even form one simple argument.
"AI" is just a word, it changes absolutely nothing, you can say "AI", "LLM", it doesn't change how they work.
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LeoNatan
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AI is actually two words, and they have a meaning. I don't care what you care.
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LeoNatan
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| vurt wrote: | | You can't even form one simple argument. |
Neither can you without being "assisted" by a chatbot. |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Since there is no AI yet, there is no such catastrophe in sight. |
AI is outperforming humans in almost everything allready. Language, math. AI can learn itself an obscure language with minimal sources. AI is outperforming docters (by a huge marging) in clinical reasoning.
The only thing it isn't able to do is long term planning, automated research and agents need some work.
Also consider that our tech is developed by the collective effort of the brightest <1% of humans and it took us millenia to get here. Even with it's current shortcommings, a LMM is so much smarter then the avarage human in reasoning allready.
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DXWarlock
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@vurt
Leo is that guy that wants to loudly let everyone know how much he cares, about not caring if people knows how little he cares. It's one of his traits in threads: Repeat things he said as if its a 80's sitcom character catchphrase, and spend time caring about conveying he cares less than you about [whatever] pedantic shit, so much he can't really be arsed to reply to it...by replying to it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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though, there is also.. China... so there might still be hope/fear (wonderful things, terrible things).
