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| Areius wrote: | | Using LTSC means missing out on new OS enhancements that are included in SAC releases – particularly new security features |
Good. They are all bloated useless intrusive shit anyway, and LTSC gets the security features anyway.
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No support for the modern Edge browser |
Good. That shit is one of the first things I strip out, or prevent installing anyway.
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No support for Windows Store |
Even better. It's a pile of horse dung.
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From January 2020, Microsoft Office 365 will not be supported on |
Would never go near it, so that is welcome news.
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LTSC does not keep pace with feature enhancements to Windows Defender ATP |
Another piece of crap that is one of the first to get stripped out. System hog, and worthless at best.
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Potential Independent Hardware and Software Vendor support and limitations on LTSC
Non-security operating system fixes and enhancements may not get back-ported to LTSC
LTSC should be used on machinery, monitoring systems, lab equipment etc. Basically equipment that has a single function.
TLDR: get normal Enterprise edition, this is meant for desktop purpose. |
The rest is utter nonsense.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 17:41 Post subject: |
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Eh I'll give enterprise a go on the next upgrade, probably later this year.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 19:33 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | Continued.....
| Areius wrote: | | Using LTSC means missing out on new OS enhancements that are included in SAC releases – particularly new security features |
Good. They are all bloated useless intrusive shit anyway, and LTSC gets the security features anyway.
| Areius wrote: |
No support for the modern Edge browser |
Good. That shit is one of the first things I strip out, or prevent installing anyway.
| Areius wrote: |
No support for Windows Store |
Even better. It's a pile of horse dung.
| Areius wrote: |
From January 2020, Microsoft Office 365 will not be supported on |
Would never go near it, so that is welcome news.
| Areius wrote: |
LTSC does not keep pace with feature enhancements to Windows Defender ATP |
Another piece of crap that is one of the first to get stripped out. System hog, and worthless at best.
| Areius wrote: |
Potential Independent Hardware and Software Vendor support and limitations on LTSC
Non-security operating system fixes and enhancements may not get back-ported to LTSC
LTSC should be used on machinery, monitoring systems, lab equipment etc. Basically equipment that has a single function.
TLDR: get normal Enterprise edition, this is meant for desktop purpose. |
The rest is utter nonsense. |
What are the reasons behind your statements?
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 22:12 Post subject: |
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| Ampee wrote: | | I see, do you happen to know why he is fed up with windows? |
i would guess the intrusive tracking and calling home features, the continuous messing up of updates by microsoft... many justified frustrations I guess but aiming to stay on outdated OS is not the solution either. with the machine I am maintaining for my girlfriend I think i found the sweet spot now, just removing the obvious crap in a clean way without botching the install for future updates. in the end users of windows need to accept their OS will not respect their privacy so it is not worth the time to tweak it until it becomes a proprietary privacy oriented operating system. if you want this, do it right and move to linux, use your time in building your own system instead of dismantling windows... my 2 cents
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 23:10 Post subject: |
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| skx7 wrote: | | Ampee wrote: | | I see, do you happen to know why he is fed up with windows? |
i would guess the intrusive tracking and calling home features, the continuous messing up of updates by microsoft... many justified frustrations I guess but aiming to stay on outdated OS is not the solution either. with the machine I am maintaining for my girlfriend I think i found the sweet spot now, just removing the obvious crap in a clean way without botching the install for future updates. in the end users of windows need to accept their OS will not respect their privacy so it is not worth the time to tweak it until it becomes a proprietary privacy oriented operating system. if you want this, do it right and move to linux, use your time in building your own system instead of dismantling windows... my 2 cents |
but how is it outdated, if just some new features are missing? there are still up to date bug and security fixes.
for example a friend of mine still uses ltsb 1607 (still uptodate and secure) and just a few weeks ago he had his first problem, where a normal x86/x64 game wouldn't start because of an older windows version. he has his system running since 2016, when ltsb 1607 was released. not a single problem in all those years, just a stable system. how is that bad?
he could upgrade on ltsc 1809 if he wants too, but he doesn't care about that cracked game anyway, so he won't probably until the next ltsc version comes next year. it would run fine on the latest ltsc 1809 version. other then microsoft store games, there is no downside for anyone, also not for games, except if you need gpu scheduling or cpu scheduling for ryzens.
everyone i know who uses ltsc is happy with it and everyone i recommend it or install it, know what "downsides" it could have and they are fine with this, because they don't care about the microsoft store or some of those few new features. they rather want an untouched and stable system which runs many years, so they can upgrade when they want to.
another friend of mine said "no he wants store games", so of course i didn't installed ltsc on his pc.
so i don't see the hate, just because microsoft says, it's not meant for desktop pc's?
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 23:27 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: |
but how is it outdated, if just some new features are missing? there are still up to date bug and security fixes.
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it can be that it still receives all security fixes from microsoft but i noticed on my girlfriend's machine that a default ltsc was running slower and acting slower compared to a fresh latest win10 pro install. i am not a windows expert myself but the experience of 2 fresh installs showed quite different performance on her machine.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Aug 2020 00:12 Post subject: |
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| skx7 wrote: | | freiwald wrote: |
but how is it outdated, if just some new features are missing? there are still up to date bug and security fixes.
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it can be that it still receives all security fixes from microsoft but i noticed on my girlfriend's machine that a default ltsc was running slower and acting slower compared to a fresh latest win10 pro install. i am not a windows expert myself but the experience of 2 fresh installs showed quite different performance on her machine. |
but how can that be? maybe there was a driver missing? ltsc uses less resources and supports the same stuff the newest version does, except gpu scheduling and cpu scheduling for ryzen cpus.
not that you would notice it that much, but i always thought it would be a little bit faster, atleast with a fresh install. if you unbloat windows 10 it could become the same, but you have to redo that atleast with every huge update. also it uses way less ram.
like i said i can see why people want pro or normal enterprise versions, for example for store games, or because they want to get the best out of their ryzens. but otherwise i can't see why ltsc shouldn't be used on the desktop.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Aug 2020 00:58 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: |
but how can that be? maybe there was a driver missing? ltsc uses less resources and supports the same stuff the newest version does, except gpu scheduling and cpu scheduling for ryzen cpus. |
W10 non LTSC became better compared to previous versions? majority of bloatware can now also be easily uninstalled via uninstall menu or powershell. I can imagine W10 from 3 years ago still got many more teething issues compared to today's version. Like latest version allows you to cleanly uninstall cortana... besides all the remaining crap, these are nice changes made by mircosoft at least
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Aug 2020 01:28 Post subject: |
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| Ampee wrote: |
What are the reasons behind your statements? |
I've just stated them?, but if your in for an argument, fair enough.
Microsoft will stop at nothing to 'force' you into whatever, should you choose their piece of crap. They are working tirelessly behind the scenes to take away every aspect you have of controlling your system. Do you think that is right? I, for one, do NOT!
I wish an OS as a 'base' (like it used to be), on which 'I' will run my own software & games, and not what MS decides for me, this includes, not installing needless crap without my permission, and not removing drivers, and also not installing whatever they think is best for me, regardless of what I had set in the first place.
A perfect example of this, is the Nvidia driver set. I don't want the crap that comes with that, aka, GBloatExperience etc., but MS will decide that you WILL have it, should you be stupid enough to not block it from doing so. I had it today on daughter's laptop. Newest (and stripped clean Nvidia set - 452.06) installed, updates came in, and what do ya know?, 451.67 set installed with all the crap. Really?!
Then there is updates, which MS have made sure, that every tweak and thing you have done, will all be reverted right back to how 'they' want them.
Ask yourself this. Why are there so many scripts, programs etc. out there now, to disable and remove all this shit, than there has ever been, in the life of a Windows OS?
And I could go on....
You see, you don't get this shit on LTSC, and I like an easy life, so I'll take the performance hit 
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 22:15 Post subject: |
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but if u do this removal, dont u get fucked every future patch thatwill break stuff or not install proper??
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 22:51 Post subject: |
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Or use Enterprise instead of Pro..since 1909 Enterprise allows you to disable Telemetry.
https://borncity.com/win/2020/02/03/windows-10-v1909-enterprise-telemetriedaten-deaktivierbar/
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In the course of this laboratory analysis it was determined that the telemetry data of the Windows 10 Enterprise V1909 test system can be completely deactivated. Only calls to (Microsoft) servers that provide current cryptographic certificates could not be deactivated by this configuration, as these are required for the day-to-day operation of a Windows 10 system (e.g. if an invalid SSL root certificate is recalled), the data protectionists write. But even these calls can be prevented by specific system configurations (not recommended for security reasons).
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 23:05 Post subject: |
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Great you can opt out and cripple 90% of the tools and services on your OS, awesome.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 18:58 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | Or use Enterprise instead of Pro..since 1909 Enterprise allows you to disable Telemetry.
https://borncity.com/win/2020/02/03/windows-10-v1909-enterprise-telemetriedaten-deaktivierbar/
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In the course of this laboratory analysis it was determined that the telemetry data of the Windows 10 Enterprise V1909 test system can be completely deactivated. Only calls to (Microsoft) servers that provide current cryptographic certificates could not be deactivated by this configuration, as these are required for the day-to-day operation of a Windows 10 system (e.g. if an invalid SSL root certificate is recalled), the data protectionists write. But even these calls can be prevented by specific system configurations (not recommended for security reasons).
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Interesting! But not fully clear to me... is enterprise = LTSC? if not, does enterprise get the 6monthly updates through windows updates or are you forced to manually upgrade via iso?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 19:38 Post subject: |
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You can tell Enterprise not to update automatically.
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tonizito
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | Enterprise gets exactly the same updates as Pro via Windows Update. For me, 2004 update rolled out on June 10th.
I always use Enterprise since Windows 7 since it has the broadest functionality and there's always scene releases . 
There is also a seperate LTSC Enterprise version but the current LTSC build is based on Version 1809 which doesn't have the option to disable telemetry. |
Why use Enterprise? Do you even run a business? LUL 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 19:50 Post subject: |
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| 4treyu wrote: | I'm getting now the "When you're redy to update to 2004" notice.
I would appreciate some advice (except if you're scaramonga  ) |
I'm running 2004 since the official version came out. Haven't had a single issue with it.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 21:22 Post subject: |
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No issues with 2004 on my desktop. Laptop had a hissy fit after MS's latest 2004 cumulative security patch and having Advanced biometric features turned on in BIOS (apparently it is a known issue) - BSOD
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It should be a relatively smooth sail on paper right now, but then again W10 can work in mysterious ways. I had no issues either on my main PC and two derptops, I let it do the thing, then disabled the basic annoying services/settings (I'm on a regular Pro version), et voilà.
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but I am maintaining 1 W10 machine of my girlfriend. I tried last year first the LTSC release but then tried as well the W10 pro release... it felt the W10 pro ran way more smoothly. Now even cortano is easy to have uninstalled since latest version. LTSC felt really outdated and slow...
