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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Aug 2020 01:28    Post subject:
Ampee wrote:

What are the reasons behind your statements?


I've just stated them?, but if your in for an argument, fair enough.

Microsoft will stop at nothing to 'force' you into whatever, should you choose their piece of crap. They are working tirelessly behind the scenes to take away every aspect you have of controlling your system. Do you think that is right? I, for one, do NOT!

I wish an OS as a 'base' (like it used to be), on which 'I' will run my own software & games, and not what MS decides for me, this includes, not installing needless crap without my permission, and not removing drivers, and also not installing whatever they think is best for me, regardless of what I had set in the first place.

A perfect example of this, is the Nvidia driver set. I don't want the crap that comes with that, aka, GBloatExperience etc., but MS will decide that you WILL have it, should you be stupid enough to not block it from doing so. I had it today on daughter's laptop. Newest (and stripped clean Nvidia set - 452.06) installed, updates came in, and what do ya know?, 451.67 set installed with all the crap. Really?!

Then there is updates, which MS have made sure, that every tweak and thing you have done, will all be reverted right back to how 'they' want them.

Ask yourself this. Why are there so many scripts, programs etc. out there now, to disable and remove all this shit, than there has ever been, in the life of a Windows OS?

And I could go on....


You see, you don't get this shit on LTSC, and I like an easy life, so I'll take the performance hit Wink
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Thu, 3rd Sep 2020 10:30    Post subject:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-intel-microcode-updates-for-windows-10-fix-cpu-hardware-bugs/


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gandamaluco




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 21:46    Post subject:
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 22:15    Post subject:
but if u do this removal, dont u get fucked every future patch thatwill break stuff or not install proper??
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 22:51    Post subject:
Or use Enterprise instead of Pro..since 1909 Enterprise allows you to disable Telemetry.

https://borncity.com/win/2020/02/03/windows-10-v1909-enterprise-telemetriedaten-deaktivierbar/

Quote:

In the course of this laboratory analysis it was determined that the telemetry data of the Windows 10 Enterprise V1909 test system can be completely deactivated. Only calls to (Microsoft) servers that provide current cryptographic certificates could not be deactivated by this configuration, as these are required for the day-to-day operation of a Windows 10 system (e.g. if an invalid SSL root certificate is recalled), the data protectionists write. But even these calls can be prevented by specific system configurations (not recommended for security reasons).
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 23:05    Post subject:
Great you can opt out and cripple 90% of the tools and services on your OS, awesome.
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skx7




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 01:35    Post subject:
he lost me at, how crazy must you be not to use a webbrowser for your mail Laughing

wtf, selling the uber privacy respecting w10 mod and assuming all are using privacy invading gmail/yahoo/hotmail accounts

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skx7




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 18:58    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
Or use Enterprise instead of Pro..since 1909 Enterprise allows you to disable Telemetry.

https://borncity.com/win/2020/02/03/windows-10-v1909-enterprise-telemetriedaten-deaktivierbar/

Quote:

In the course of this laboratory analysis it was determined that the telemetry data of the Windows 10 Enterprise V1909 test system can be completely deactivated. Only calls to (Microsoft) servers that provide current cryptographic certificates could not be deactivated by this configuration, as these are required for the day-to-day operation of a Windows 10 system (e.g. if an invalid SSL root certificate is recalled), the data protectionists write. But even these calls can be prevented by specific system configurations (not recommended for security reasons).


Interesting! But not fully clear to me... is enterprise = LTSC? if not, does enterprise get the 6monthly updates through windows updates or are you forced to manually upgrade via iso?
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 19:29    Post subject:
Enterprise gets exactly the same updates as Pro via Windows Update. For me, 2004 update rolled out on June 10th.
I always use Enterprise since Windows 7 since it has the broadest functionality and there's always scene releases . Laughing

There is also a seperate LTSC Enterprise version but the current LTSC build is based on Version 1809 which doesn't have the option to disable telemetry. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 19:38    Post subject:
You can tell Enterprise not to update automatically.
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 19:41    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
Enterprise gets exactly the same updates as Pro via Windows Update. For me, 2004 update rolled out on June 10th.
I always use Enterprise since Windows 7 since it has the broadest functionality and there's always scene releases . Laughing

There is also a seperate LTSC Enterprise version but the current LTSC build is based on Version 1809 which doesn't have the option to disable telemetry. Wink
Why use Enterprise? Do you even run a business? LUL


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 19:50    Post subject:
Don't you have LTSC? Every LTSC is also Enterprise.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/compare
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Sun, 6th Sep 2020 19:55    Post subject:
https://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3304016#3304016 Razz


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 07:39    Post subject:
In case someone still lives in the 90s and early 00...

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-themes-can-be-abused-to-steal-windows-passwords/


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4treyu




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 19:39    Post subject:
I'm getting now the "When you're ready to update to 2004" notice.

I would appreciate some advice (except if you're scaramonga )


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escalibur




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 19:50    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
I'm getting now the "When you're redy to update to 2004" notice.

I would appreciate some advice (except if you're scaramonga )


I'm running 2004 since the official version came out. Haven't had a single issue with it.


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Newty182




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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 21:22    Post subject:
No issues with 2004 on my desktop. Laptop had a hissy fit after MS's latest 2004 cumulative security patch and having Advanced biometric features turned on in BIOS (apparently it is a known issue) - BSOD


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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Sep 2020 23:38    Post subject:
It should be a relatively smooth sail on paper right now, but then again W10 can work in mysterious ways. I had no issues either on my main PC and two derptops, I let it do the thing, then disabled the basic annoying services/settings (I'm on a regular Pro version), et voilà.
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 00:17    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:


I'm running 2004 since the official version came out. Haven't had a single issue with it.


It's nothing to do with having an 'issue' with it, hell, we all have 'issue's' with most stuff in life. I've got it running right here, and it's an utter turd of an OS. It's more do do with..... (need I go on?) Wink

I'm sure that I've stated my case?, and need say no more Smile

I'll make it simple.

If you like what MS are doing to users, and their systems, then run with it, be happy Smile I absolutely hate it, not so much the OS, but the way MS like to 'control' now. Who the fuck do they think they are?
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 03:03    Post subject:
We knoooooooooooooooooooooooow already scara.....


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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 03:10    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
We knoooooooooooooooooooooooow already scara.....


Sorry.


In fact, I can't leave it there, lol.

Let me give you all a little example of that 'control' Wink

MS Flight Simulator 2020.

If you are expecting to run this game on LTSC, then you better be quick, and buy into the 'Steam' version, as, although they are the same, the MS Store version will 'NOT' run on LTSC, period!, whereas, the Steam version does just fine, for now Wink If your on 1903/09, then the game will 'MAKE' you update to 2004, regardless of whether you wish to, before you can even play it Smile

That's all Smile
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 03:22    Post subject:
MS Store version - there's your problem, no sympathy really.
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 03:46    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
MS Store version - there's your problem, no sympathy really.


I'm on LTSC, never used any 'store' version, no problem Wink

Just a heads up m8
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4treyu




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2020 18:44    Post subject:
Upgraded yesterday and so far not a single issue detected (fingers crossed).

Thanks for the feedback, guys (you too scara Cool Face )
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2020 00:23    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
Upgraded yesterday and so far not a single issue detected (fingers crossed).

Thanks for the feedback, guys (you too scara Cool Face )


There won't be, as it all goes on in the background, constantly eating away at your system/resources/whatever, and sucking away the goodness of your system. This thing is sending out everything, and logging all you do, all without your consent, and all running just sweetly, (on the surface) which is what they want it to do Wink

The only way you will really notice, is if your still on an 2-4 core minion, and look at your 'task manager' regularly Wink I choose to not look, as my heart cant take it at my age, and I've seen that dreadful image far too often now. So much shit running it's beyond belief, and most you don't even know what it does, or what its for? There is stuff in here, that MS have locked down so tight, that it seems this is the only thing that matters to them now.

Go get Blackbird - https://www.getblackbird.net/, outdated, and DO NOT apply on latest Windows! I use this as a guide to see what is actually running on my system that is shit. Run it and let it scan, but DO NOT touch any other key apart from 'S', of which you will get a full scan.

LTSC here, and tweaked Wink You really want all 'GREEN', but I must run it on 2004 just to see, when I have the time.

 Spoiler:
 



Each to their own.

Your welcome m8! Very Happy

*Edit*

OK, lol, 2004 (508) on one of my lappies, which has been tweaked:

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DV2




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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2020 10:41    Post subject:
Yesterday i got forced to install a .NET 3.5/4.0 update and an accumulative update for 1909. One installed and the other can't be installed.. But better this way than getting 2004


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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Oct 2020 13:16    Post subject:
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2020/10/20/whats-new-in-the-windows-10-october-2020-update/



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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Oct 2020 14:08    Post subject:
Hasn't rolled out for me yet. It's supposed to slowly roll out over the coming weeks.
But this is just a big cumulative update right?
Not like the feature updates where it basically reinstalls windows, creates a windows.old folder and has to reboot multiple times.
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skx7




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Oct 2020 14:55    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
But this is just a big cumulative update right?
Not like the feature updates where it basically reinstalls windows, creates a windows.old folder and has to reboot multiple times.


or fasten your seatbelt and brace for impact Laughing let's wait another 6months to update Laughing
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Oct 2020 16:48    Post subject:
all those office managers must be delighted they are forced to install xbox game pass components ... Laughing
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