Hired Guns: The Jagged Edge
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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 10:06    Post subject:
Anyone else played it ? Mini-review ?

Or, if it sucks 100%, just say so Very Happy
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csebal




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 15:37    Post subject:
A JA game without eliott is no JA game at all..

now unless you say they somehow managed to sneak Eliott into the game, its unlikely to be worth playing Smile
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IvanGrozny
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 15:39    Post subject:
Is Ivan (Russian) still in the game? If its not I dont want to bother to download it.
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anonymoose




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 15:50    Post subject:
It's not a JA game. They're not allowed to use any of the characters of storyline from JA. So no, the Ivan character will not be a part of this game. Perhaps they sneaked a character similar to him in, but I don't know, download isn't finished yet.
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Ankh




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 15:52    Post subject:
Why does it matter what characters that are in the game?


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 16:09    Post subject:
The second JAG rocked will try this today, here is a player review, grade 8:

"I think, we all know - in past Hired Guns was called Jagged Alliance 3D. But in the end of 2006, Strategy First has rejected rights to the title, so here is the new name.

Even with its new name, Hired Guns has same old-school, true Freelancer style, used in previous Jagged Alliance series. A few things about the story:
There is a place, called "Almaznij Bereg" (Russian, in English probably - "The Diamond Coast") in the heart of Africa. Its president was kicked off by own brother who has taken his place. You are the field-commander who must kill the dictator by using International Mercenaries Agency (remember A.I.M. from Jagged Alliance?) and restore rights of the true president. By the way, you can get one of five different endings.

The combat system is staying close to previous Jagged Alliance titles. When not in combat, your mercenaries is moving on location in real-time mode. But when the combat has started, gameplay will transform to turn-based mode. Your mercenaries has Action Points [AP] to make your turn. Count of AP is according to mercenary level and his current HP. When you clear a location out of enemies its becomes yours. But be on your guard! Dictator can send reinforcements to this location and take it back.

Graphic level is nice. The game uses a lot of DX9 effects and shaders. And thanks to that, the game looks good. Also, the game has good physics engine. You can blow up any tree or house by using grenades, explosive packs, etc. Physics make game very realistic. For example, try shot some enemy at the edge of gorge. First the body will start moving, and then its fall at bottom of the gorge.

Sadly, the game has a problems. The first one - very bad cinematics. I think, GFI should learn from Blizzard Ent. or BioWare how to make perfect cinematics prerendered on game engine. The second one - there is no weather effects, nights or even sky! Just a black space like in Warcraft 3, but wc at least has the nights. The last one - a little bugs. But if you play in official russian release, you can download 1.5 patch, it will remove lots of bugs.

Summary. If you are fan of Jagged Alliance, you must play Hired Guns. And its a very good way to spend time till Jagged Alliance 3 will be released."



So this isn't JAG3, the real JAG3 will be released later, whatever.
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IvanGrozny
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 16:20    Post subject:
Anthirs wrote:
Why does it matter what characters that are in the game?


1.) Cause every other JA games had russian Ivan.
2.) My real name is Ivan
3.) Ivan is crazy drunk russian.
4.) Voice told me lastnIght in my lucid dream: "DO NOT DOWNLOAD!!! DO NOT DOWNLOAD!! UNLESS IS DRUNK RUSSIAN BY YOUR NAME IN THE GAME"
5). BUUHUHU HUUUU , WUSHHHH...
6Smile DONT BE SCARED ; DONT BE SCARED!
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KeyserSoeze




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 18:00    Post subject:
Nice GTA 4 and now this. My new comp will have much to do in the comming weeks! Smile

Alos have Bioshock and Crysis saved, and Clear Sky!
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hurley




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 20:56    Post subject:
a merc game without Earl or Mike is not a merc game.
but if cinematics arecrap and no weather system, and all rest is similar to jagged alliance then IM HAPPY! you don't realize how ive waited for a successor of JA, with engine close to silent storm..
PS I will name my char as Earl. Don't use it or I'll slice your throat before you even know it!
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Vodka-Redbull




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 21:03    Post subject:
Ivan or no Ivan, it's a steaming pile of crap gameplay-wise.


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madmax17




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 21:08    Post subject:
Menu is exactly as JA I love it, map is 3d and kind of sucks, they should have left it 2d.
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CaptainLove




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 21:29    Post subject:
No wonder the IP holders refused this to carry the Jagged Alliance name, what a steaming pile of shit.

Stay clear children, and play Jagged Alliance 2 or Silent Storm (without Panzerkleins) instead.
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 21:51    Post subject:
CaptainLove wrote:
No wonder the IP holders refused this to carry the Jagged Alliance name, what a steaming pile of shit.

Stay clear children, and play Jagged Alliance 2 or Silent Storm (without Panzerkleins) instead.


if only the silent storm engine had better modding tools Sad
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Vodka-Redbull




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 21:55    Post subject:
mYslead wrote:
CaptainLove wrote:
No wonder the IP holders refused this to carry the Jagged Alliance name, what a steaming pile of shit.

Stay clear children, and play Jagged Alliance 2 or Silent Storm (without Panzerkleins) instead.


if only the silent storm engine had better modding tools Sad


You won't believe how bad are internal developer's tools Very Happy poor guys from JA3 team had a very hard time adapting to those bugfests.
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2008 21:59    Post subject:
oh well :s ahah
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2008 16:18    Post subject:
is there any way to sell the stuff you have? i need money Smile
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twobells
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2008 17:07    Post subject:
Squeek remarks "What a sad end to the Jagged Alliance IP"

Sweep sadly agrees.


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anonymoose




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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2008 19:50    Post subject:
Unexpectedly!
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Vodka-Redbull




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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2008 22:33    Post subject:
twobells wrote:
Squeek remarks "What a sad end to the Jagged Alliance IP"

Sweep sadly agrees.


You are so busy trying to be original that you forgot this is NOT a JA game. JA3 is yet to come and it looks good (from what I've seen and played).
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2008 23:25    Post subject:
Deleted, thank god it's not the real sequel.
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008 05:22    Post subject:
i agree lol,
going back to JA2 1.13
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upstart_69




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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008 05:41    Post subject:
mYslead wrote:

going back to JA2 1.13


Always a quoteable line lol... and after about 15 mins of extracting and then trying out gta4 im about to do the same... bah humbug to modern games


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OnBoard




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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008 23:08    Post subject:
Well I'm enjoying it. Captured couple sectors and now I'm making enough money to nearly cover the cost of the mercs.

So those that are playing (and not deleted) what to do with sector stuff you found, is there a way to sell them? Also is there a way to set the default zoom level, it goes back to the closest one after every turn.

Graphics are nice, but also make it harder to see stuff. Hiding trees doesn't work like the roof tops button one, maybe a bug, dunno. Seems to be little clithes here and there and text is really small. Didn't really want to read those long e-mails, but I'm not so interessted in them anyways.

Yes there is no Ivan, but already hired this games Ivan. Really helped with his sniper rifle (now I'm out of ammo though). Seems much harder than JA so far not many handguns in enemy, so they fire far. Also my tactics of walking around making noise doesn't help to get close Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008 00:35    Post subject:
Found better camera settings on one review:

r_hcamera_acceleration = "200.030"
r_hcamera_auto_camera = "1"
r_hcamera_border = "10.0000"
r_hcamera_border_enabled = "1"
r_hcamera_deceleration = "200.000"
r_hcamera_fov = "0.540000"
r_hcamera_inertion = "1"
r_hcamera_max_angle = "2.00000"
r_hcamera_max_height = "50.0000"
r_hcamera_min_angle = "0.010000"
r_hcamera_min_height = "0.50000"
r_hcamera_mouse_invert = "0"
r_hcamera_mouse_speed = "100.000"
r_hcamera_rot_speed = "2.00000"
r_hcamera_speed = "100.000"
r_hcamera_zoom_acceleration = "900.000"
r_hcamera_zoom_deceleration = "900.000"
r_hcamera_zoom_speed = "0.950000"


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acerola




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008 02:57    Post subject:
- AI is a bit smarter than original JA. If you climb onto a roof, they follow you there or throw grenades. If you take cover for too long, grenades again.

- Camera is not very nice. I'll try OnBoard's suggestion.

- Movement is not nice either. I miss having a grid.

- Some crashes. Save often.

- Veteran difficulty seems too hard. I could play JA2 on max difficulty, but not this one. You just land on a mission surrounded by 10 enemies with nowhere to take cover. Just like UFO:AL.

- You can't flee from a battle. But it was possible on the demo.
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OnBoard




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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008 07:48    Post subject:
Right button also does wonders to the camera. Didn't know you could go to ground level with the angle.. Smile Will help a lot with the line of site and trees wont bother any more.

But those above camera settings improve things greatly, no more constant close zoom and getting far away gives a clearer overall picture.

Seems you can't sell stuff. At least there was no mention on the matrix games forum.


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008 07:49    Post subject:
From what I have heard, the Easy difficulty mode is the most optimized one and the one you should pick if you want "proper" gameplay.
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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008 08:09    Post subject:
Yeah, easy is at least like every other game's normal. They even recommend that to non-noobs too.

I'm no Jagged Alliance veteran, but boy I felt like a newb while taking cover with 2 of my men behind barrels and then flies a nade. -273 points from explding barrels and 3 instadead mercs (one was even further away) Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Dec 2008 04:59    Post subject:
17 enemy soldiers dead with 5 of my mercs. Only one left still shooting, 4 dying on the ground and one dead. That train station is impossible Sad Saved like every other turn and played it for 2 hours.

Half the time they were passing out already, with just laying on the ground and shooting for so long. I miss Jagged Alliance water, one sip and good to go again. I can hire one more, but would it be enough, those enemy holy grenades are nasty.

Oh and that was my 3rd try on the train station. First time came with 4 dudes on the side (seemed easier). Next time on top with 5 and got killed on the spot almost. Now I planned every entrance point for the mercs with good line of sight to where I know the enemy will come and still went poop. There are just so many of them, if only I had a grenade launcher, or RPG or could call air support


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PostPosted: Mon, 8th Dec 2008 11:20    Post subject:
OnBoard wrote:
17 enemy soldiers dead with 5 of my mercs. Only one left still shooting, 4 dying on the ground and one dead. That train station is impossible Sad Saved like every other turn and played it for 2 hours.

Half the time they were passing out already, with just laying on the ground and shooting for so long. I miss Jagged Alliance water, one sip and good to go again. I can hire one more, but would it be enough, those enemy holy grenades are nasty.

Oh and that was my 3rd try on the train station. First time came with 4 dudes on the side (seemed easier). Next time on top with 5 and got killed on the spot almost. Now I planned every entrance point for the mercs with good line of sight to where I know the enemy will come and still went poop. There are just so many of them, if only I had a grenade launcher, or RPG or could call air support


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