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TiHKAL
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We saved the pic and hosted it on imageshack, i did the same thing at first. 
Don't recall the exact wording on that Q, if somebody posts it up i would be more then happy to answer.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2008 23:44 Post subject: |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | what were peoples answers to the 'infringement on liberties due to counter terrorism' question? |
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
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TiHKAL
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| Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2008 23:52 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: |
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." |
Couldn't agree more!
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 00:14 Post subject: |
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Well he's said that he will abolish income tax all together,bring the troops hom,e(nobody else has said they would do this).
| Quote: | | his entire philosophy is based on the idea that government should do nothing for the people |
He said that the government should take a backward step and stop "interfering" in peoples lives so much,and obey the constitution.
That test has got to be wrong in some way.How can Ron Paul be more right wing them Gwb?
He said he would bring the troops home,Gwb won't.He'll remove all American troops from other countries like The 1000's of troops stationed in Germany still,Wtf are they there for ?
They've been there since after ww2 finished,It's not as if Germany is a threat to anyone any more.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 00:42 Post subject: |
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: | Well he's said that he will abolish income tax all together,bring the troops hom,e(nobody else has said they would do this).
| Quote: | | his entire philosophy is based on the idea that government should do nothing for the people |
He said that the government should take a backward step and stop "interfering" in peoples lives so much,and obey the constitution.
That test has got to be wrong in some way.How can Ron Paul be more right wing them Gwb?
He said he would bring the troops home,Gwb won't.He'll remove all American troops from other countries like The 1000's of troops stationed in Germany still,Wtf are they there for ?
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Germany is used as a stepping stone.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 09:01 Post subject: |
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I remember doing this test years ago and coming towards the bottom-left like most peeps.
In fact most people's moral beliefs would have them score there. One wonders whether this is a tool to influence everyone to become left-wing liberals (or to vote as one). Openly right-wing people are getting the wrong score.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 09:01 Post subject: |
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: |
He is totally for the people of America,i just don't understand why nobody voted for him?
All be it the media black-out he got |
Nobody voted for him because he has no campaign funding. But he's no good for normal Americans as he's a fanatic free marketer. Good critique here: http://www.geekarmy.com/geekblog/politics/transcript-of-noam-chomsky-on-ron-paul/
You'll get all sorts of Paul supporters trying to use economic theory to justify their belief, but that economic theory has no evidence whatsoever.
Mike Gravel was the best of a bad bunch, John Edwards was the guy who had a decent chance :-/
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 09:23 Post subject: |
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| RXP wrote: | | Mike Gravel was the best of a bad bunch, John Edwards was the guy who had a decent chance :-/ |
Indeed ..
| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: | | Well he's said that he will abolish income tax all together,bring the troops hom,e(nobody else has said they would do this). |
O .. didn't hear about Gravels petition for legislation that would make it a felony to continue waging a war on foreign soil ?
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/mike.gravel.html
Like RXP stated this election is going to the highest bidder, like any corporate contract.  If you want to know more about how R!P is a Goul who likes watching people die of curable aliments becasue it makes him feel like the clever one for having money in his pocket, be glad too. 
| nouseforaname wrote: | | GeordieRacer wrote: | | what were peoples answers to the 'infringement on liberties due to counter terrorism' question? |
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." |
Ill take your franklin & raise it with a Göring 
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, & denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, & exposing the country to greater danger."
Stepping stone is right GeordieRacer, even go so far as call Germany a guiding light to the new age of corporate imperialism. Order through chaos, create enough of a climate of fear that the people will accept any leader & any policy which promises security. 
here you go GeordieRacer
suicid4l .. more like the political figures present their case to the public in such a way that the public are duped into thinking they share their political views. gingerninjaaaaaa is a classic example of somebody from the left thinking the candidate they support shared their regard for personal liberty. Funny how patriotism is used to pervert the word liberty.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 09:46 Post subject: |
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Gravel's ideas on fiscal policy were nutty though!
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 15:34 Post subject: |
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Could the test be flawed? Nobody is even in the bluuues... And I was pretty liberal on some of those questions. 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 17:39 Post subject: |
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Answer everything as wrong as possible, and see if that helps.
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 18:42 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | Revolutionary if you ask me.
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Fiscal = tax
He advocated abolishing income tax and moving over a sales only tax. That's regressive as it gets! His social/foreign were great.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 19:28 Post subject: |
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How come we pay so much tax in the Uk, yet everything seems to be doing badly.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 20:20 Post subject: |
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Pretty much sort a in the middle, but a bit to leftish for my taste, or what i thought that I would be 
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 20:33 Post subject: |
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jee, is tehre anyone NOT in the green?
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 20:35 Post subject: |
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Ron Paul has had nothing but lies and misinformation said against him in the media,every time they published a print on Ron Paul they did nothing but darken the image of the guy.
Cnn and Fox news were the worse culprits in this,they spread nothing but lies about Ron Paul as they know the guy is good for the country and will minimise the influence on what the main stream media have say about things as they have way to much power.
For bad press reporting and i mean down out lies go to http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29 and find out for yourselves.
He hasn't had the same amount of time as the other main candidates when on the main debates.
Put it this way if i was an American i would defiantly have Ron Paul in the white house then absolutely any of the other men/women running for it.
@ chinup and rxp.....
Who do you want in the white house?
Who did you vote/support Spykez?
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 21:59 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: |
So you think people should pay for the right to earn an income ? Erm thats slavery. |
Yah I do, those who earn more should pay more into society, to fund social spending. It's the best method for fair taxation. Sales tax is highly regressive (for very obvious reasons), penalising those with lower incomes. Gravel's argument relies on citing the billions in cost of collecting tax. However when we are discussing macro-economic spending, absolute numbers have no meaning, they have to be expressed as a % of either government spending or GDP or another suitable indicator.
I must say you have a strange conception of slavery if you think paying taxes on your income is slavery. Slavery is denial of basic human nature:, freedom of movement, thought, expression etc. Your definition of slavery means that every single wage earner in the west is a slave. If this were the case, the word slave has no meaning and it would also desecrates the memory of all those who have suffered true slavery, be that chattel or wage.
I agree, income tax rules need to be transparent. At the moment they of course prop up the financial and legal professional service industries.
Edit: gingerninjaaaaaa, I don't really care who is in the white house. Two party systems are a sham and there are no discernable differences between democrats or republicans, or any of the runners. The great liberal hope is Obama, comparisons have been made to Kennedy. Analyse Kennedy's record for just one second, and you will see he is one of a long line of mass murderers in the Whitehouse. I'm not sure what will be different at present.
I mean I've read Obama's essay in Foreign Affairs an he plans to immediately withdraw troops from Iraq. But I just don' see how he can just turn his back on a key goal of US foreign policy, of securing energy resources. To let Iraq go their own way would lead to an aliance with Shiate Iran, an absoulte nightmare for planners. I will literally be shocked if he implements his manifesto on Iraq.
Overall I would like a man like Mike Gravel in the Whitehouse. He's a true patriot and peace lover and his record shows he will sacrifice his personal career for moral grounds (he was actively involved in the leak of the pentagon papers).
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| Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008 22:11 Post subject: |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | How come we pay so much tax in the Uk, yet everything seems to be doing badly. |
Because the taxiation system is regressive, to fund corproate welfare.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Mar 2008 02:31 Post subject: |
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87 |
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ChinUp
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anarxist
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| Posted: Sun, 9th Mar 2008 14:40 Post subject: |
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I hit the axis (almost) I am neither auto... not liber..
Have to work on my rightness to move closer to nirvana of zero  |
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