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Posted: Thu, 21st Jun 2007 18:55 Post subject: new rig	Quick Quote Quote

I have a 3000+€ budget. Could someone give an example of what I could have? Thanks "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach

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Posted: Thu, 21st Jun 2007 20:28 Post subject: Re: new rig

Z0Bman wrote:

I have a 3000+€ budget.
Could someone give an example of what I could have? Smile

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hmm, i guess everything top-notch and indecent. Razz

8800 Ultra : 749,00 € (SLI? lol)
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 : 1180 €
some bloated mother board & gigs of ram, etc.

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Posted: Thu, 21st Jun 2007 21:02 Post subject: Re: new rig

Z0Bman wrote:

I have a 3000+€ budget.
Could someone give an example of what I could have? Smile

Thanks

Xbox360 + Wii

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Posted: Thu, 21st Jun 2007 22:57 Post subject: Re: new rig

Sad-persona wrote:

Z0Bman wrote:

I have a 3000+€ budget.
Could someone give an example of what I could have? Smile

Thanks

Xbox360 + Wii

Could you STFU please Hfric? thx

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Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007 02:02 Post subject: Re: new rig

$en$i wrote:

Z0Bman wrote:

I have a 3000+€ budget.
Could someone give an example of what I could have? Smile

Thanks

hmm, i guess everything top-notch and indecent. Razz

8800 Ultra : 749,00 € (SLI? lol)
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6800 : 1180 €
some bloated mother board & gigs of ram, etc.

You should buy none of the above Razz

.. Just because you have the money, doesn't mean you should spend it all at once.

Quad core is currently pointless.
8800 Ultra 512+ are also pointless unless your running on something larger than a 19"
3Gb+ isn't that pointful unless you plan on running vista.

So.. 3,000.00 EUR = 2,016.22 GBP..

Antec P180 - £80.95
700W Tagan TG-700-U26 iXeye II EPS12V Ver2.9 ATX - £96.35
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700, Socket 775, 2.67 GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 4MB Cache - £204.12
Generic (gigabyte Wink

) motherboard - £120
768Mb BFG Technology 8800 Ultra OClock, PCI-E(x16), Mem 2220MHz, GPU 630MHz, 128Stream, 2xDVI-I/HDTV - £472.81
22" Dell E228WFP Black Widescreen LCD, 1680x1050, 800:1, 300 cd/m2, 5 ms, VESA - £252.50
2GB (2x1GB) Corsair TwinX DDR2 XMS2 Dominator, PC2-10000, 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 5-5-5-18 - £468.94
x2 - 400 Gb Seagate ST3400620NS Barracuda ES, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8 ms, NCQ - £149.20
Pioneer DVR-112BK 18x DVD±R, 10x DVD±DL, DVD + RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12, IDE, Black, OEM - £19.92
Cooler - £30
Mouse / Keyboard - £100

= 1994.79

Might want to swap out the widescreen monitor for something of similar price. Remember though, the GFX card is pointless without a high res screen, so if you go for something smaller, get a different GFX card.

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Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007 11:08 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

get quad... GTX... 4GB...

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Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007 14:02 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Thanks everyone "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach

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Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007 15:11 Post subject: Re: new rig

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You should buy none of the above Razz

.. Just because you have the money, doesn't mean you should spend it all at once.

Ofc, just indecent examples given here. Wink

Your setup proposal seems nice but i would go for a screen supporting 1080p (i.e. w/ at least a 1920x1080 resolution and ofc HDCP compatible)

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 11:22 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Cooler Master eXtreme Power 650W - Alimentation 650W ATX v2.01 12V 70,99 € Cooler Master Mars (pour socket 754/ 939/940/AM2/F et 775) 38,38 € Creative I-Trigue 3800 - Ensemble 2.1 avec télécommandes filaire et infrarouge 99,41 € Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 - 320 Go 7200 RPM 8 Mo IDE (bulk) x2 133,62 € Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 - Dual Core ! Socket 775 FSB1066 cache L2 4 Mo 0.065 micron 250,00 € Plextor PX-800A - DVD(+/-)RW/RAM 18/8/18/6/12x DL(+/-) 8/8x CD-RW 48/32/48x IDE - Noir (bulk) 51,42 € Samsung 19" LCD - SyncMaster 971P - 6 ms (gris à gris) - Noir laqué - Pivot (garantie constructeur 3 ans sur site) 308,53 € Sennheiser PC 161 Label Skype 79,25 € Sony lecteur disquettes 3'' 1/2 12,50 € Antec Performance One P180B - Noir (sans alimentation) 99,41 € ASUSTeK P5K3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP (Intel P35 Express) - ATX 209,03 € Logitech Internet 350 Keyboard Noir (PS/2) - OEM (AZERTY Français)x2 18,32 € ASUSTeK EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M - 768 Mo TV-Out/Dual DVI - PCI Express (NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX) 484,87 € Kingston ValueRAM 2 Go DDR3-SDRAM PC3-8500 - CL7 (garantie 10 ans par Kingston) 417,22 € Logitech G3 Laser 29,26 € What do you think? "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 12:34 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

i dont think that buying ddr3 mbo is smart now... its to expensive... if i were in your place i would take quad, gigabyte 965, 4gb ddr2...

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 13:56 Post subject:

slis wrote:

i dont think that buying ddr3 mbo is smart now... its to expensive... if i were in your place i would take quad, gigabyte 965, 4gb ddr2... Twisted Evil

Agree with the statement about PCI-E, but as I've said before, Quad core is pretty much pointless for now and probably wont become useful for a while. By the time it does, everything will be quad core and you will want a new machine anyway Wink

! Also, getting any more than 2Gb is pointless unless you plan on running a 64Bit OS, if this is the case, check drivers for the hardware your buying before you buy it.

ASUSTeK EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M - Since your getting a 19" screen you probably wont see any performance increase in the 768 8800 models when compared to the lower ram models. Check the benchmarks at the monitors max resolution.

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 15:39 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

CASE: - Chieftec CH-01SL-SL-B / MIDI COOLING: - 3x Sharkoon SilentEagle 1500 / 92mm - 1x Sharkoon SilentEagle 2000 /120mm SUPPLY: - be quiet! Dark Power PRO 750W MAINBOARD: - Asus P5W DH Deluxe CPU: - Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 COOLING: - Scythe Mine SCMN-1100 RAM: - Kingston HyperX DIMM 2 GB DDR2-800 Kit HDD1 / SYS / APPS: - 2x Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD / 76GIG each / RAID0 / 150GIG in total HDD2 / FILES / BACKUP - Samsung HD501LJ / 500GIG GPU: - EVGA GF8800GTX ACS³ Edition SOUND: - Creative X-Fi Elite Pro - Teufel CEM Power Edition / 5.1 / 450watts - Sennheiser PC161 OPTICAL DRIVES: - Samsung SH-D163A / read - NEC AD-7173S / write SCREEN: - NEC Multisync 90GX2 here in germany this system would be arounnd 2200€ total.

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 17:55 Post subject:

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Also, getting any more than 2Gb is pointless unless you plan on running a 64Bit OS

You forget the tweak that consist of adding the parameter /3GB in boot.ini. Razz

cf. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx

@ Z0Bman
I would rather take a LCD screen of 24'' w/ once again a 1920x1080 res available and HDCP compatible, otherwise your gfx card -like sYn said- will be a little excessive for the resolutions available.

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 18:34 Post subject:

$en$i wrote:

[sYn] wrote:

Also, getting any more than 2Gb is pointless unless you plan on running a 64Bit OS

You forget the tweak that consist of adding the parameter /3GB in boot.ini. Razz

cf. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx

As far as I am aware (and I could very well be wrong) the memory addressed above the 2Gb mark can only be used by the system / kernel and not by running applications.

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 20:57 Post subject:

$en$i wrote:

@ Z0Bman
I would rather take a LCD screen of 24'' w/ once again a 1920x1080 res available and HDCP compatible, otherwise your gfx card -like sYn said- will be a little excessive for the resolutions available.

I dislike resolutions superior to 1280 Mad

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Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007 22:40 Post subject:

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$en$i wrote:

I dislike resolutions superior to 1280 Mad

Huh?

You do know that resolutions scale with the size of the monitor? That is why nobody on earth would run games at 800x600 anymore, but with 15 inch monitors, that was the norm. So resolutions change as viewing area increases, which is especially true with falling lcd prices these days.

However, yes if you do wish to stay with such a lowly resolution, I also agree that getting any video card with more than 512 megs of vram is ludicrous. The low amount of details that can fit on such a resolution will nullify any performance by having a card like that.

Again I'd like to recommend scimping a lil bit on components that can and will be upgraded in later monthes and blow a chunk instead on a 24. Even when I recently upgraded from a 22 to a 24(for a few bucks more-amazing what a little bitching will do), the difference was phenomenal. I can now see little details in games and movies I never would have before. Sure it taxes the video card a lil more, but why have the best when its not going to pushed to its limits?

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 08:04 Post subject:

[sYn] wrote:

$en$i wrote:

[sYn] wrote:

Also, getting any more than 2Gb is pointless unless you plan on running a 64Bit OS

You forget the tweak that consist of adding the parameter /3GB in boot.ini. Razz

cf. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx

As far as I am aware (and I could very well be wrong) the memory addressed above the 2Gb mark can only be used by the system / kernel and not by running applications.

"The address space is usually split so that 2 GB of address space is directly accessible to the application and the other 2 GB is only accessible to the Windows executive software." =>
"The virtual address space of processes and applications is still limited to 2 GB unless the /3GB switch is used in the Boot.ini file." =>
"This switch allows applications to address 1 GB of additional virtual address space above 2 GB.". Wink

cf. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 08:15 Post subject:

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That is why nobody on earth would run games at 800x600 anymore

I do...

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 09:06 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

These power supply recommendations in this thread are horrible. Go with a nice Enermax, Seasonic, Corsair, PC P&C, FSP or Antec model. I see it all the time and I am always amazed at how many people pour large amounts of money into nice hardware components (CPUs, mobos, GPUs, RAM, etc.) and then take a chance on powering them with some lameass power supply. It's just asking for disaster.

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 10:44 Post subject:

CaptainSpooge wrote:

These power supply recommendations in this thread are horrible. Go with a nice Enermax, Seasonic, Corsair, PC P&C, FSP or Antec model.

I see it all the time and I am always amazed at how many people pour large amounts of money into nice hardware components (CPUs, mobos, GPUs, RAM, etc.) and then take a chance on powering them with some lameass power supply. It's just asking for disaster.

You think Tagan is a bad PSU manufacturer? Neutral

More importantly, you think Corsair is a good PSU manufacturer :O!

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 12:42 Post subject:

CaptainSpooge wrote:

What's wrong with be quiet? Those are silent and rock solid.

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 15:52 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

A few things to note: Definitely change the screen to something bigger. Put whatever res you like... http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=123&sortby=nameAsc&subid=&mfrid=396 PC Power & Cooling, best power supplies. Quad core. Just look at the future or spare it for now if you want to wait for next gen quad cores. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-039-TR&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat= Best air cpu cooler. Ἢ τὰν ἢ ἐπὶ τᾶς - Μολὼν λαβέ Today is a gift. That's why it's called the present.

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 19:21 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Quad core wont come fully into play for at least a year (except for games like Crysis and Unreal), if not more.

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007 20:09 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

...and source But you are right. Save and buy better quad later. Ἢ τὰν ἢ ἐπὶ τᾶς - Μολὼν λαβέ Today is a gift. That's why it's called the present.

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