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CROAT
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Never played these PES games.... will try this one.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 20:25 Post subject: |
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| Nosmirchjgkjhghjg wrote: | Shame there have been zero master league improvements for 3 versions now.
Also the German league has been removed I believe? So even less teams to use with the shallow basic master league format 
Having such a good gameplay engine but then combining it with a crappy "career" mode is about the equivalent of taking the engine from a Ferrari and putting it into a Skoda |
Like I said; there are minor improvements. Also, how is it a crappy career mode when it's the best career mode you can get outside of Football Manager? That makes no sense. German league has not been removed either and in fact MORE teams have been licensed.
Master League can do with a facelift I agree but it isn't necessary. |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 22:46 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 23:01 Post subject: |
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006 23:10 Post subject: |
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| Nosmirchjgkjhghjg wrote: | | Ispep wrote: | | Nosmirchjgkjhghjg wrote: | Shame there have been zero master league improvements for 3 versions now.
Also the German league has been removed I believe? So even less teams to use with the shallow basic master league format
Having such a good gameplay engine but then combining it with a crappy "career" mode is about the equivalent of taking the engine from a Ferrari and putting it into a Skoda |
Like I said; there are minor improvements. Also, how is it a crappy career mode when it's the best career mode you can get outside of Football Manager? That makes no sense. German league has not been removed either and in fact MORE teams have been licensed.
Master League can do with a facelift I agree but it isn't necessary. |
Best career mode?
In Fifa I can manager a lower division team in England, compete in the league and FA cups each season, aim for promotion, buy and sell players, get promoted, eventually make my way into the premiership and aim for European glory, how can the master league in any way remotely compete with that? |
Yes.
Pro Evolution Soccer has the best career mode of any football game excluding of course the Football Manager series (which it wouldn't be fair to compare against).
Firstly, and I don't think this is mutually exclusive; it has the gameplay. That's important for enjoyment no doubt but it's also important for longevity that it has a nuanced engine that allows for depth and variance in matches. PES has this in abundance. No other football game can match it.
| Quote: | | In Fifa I can manager a lower division team in England |
Yes, it would be nice to have larger league structures (beyond first and second division). I can only imagine why we aren't allowed this yet but I maintain that it doesn't detract from the overall enjoyment, it is merely something I would like to see added.
| Quote: | | compete in the league and FA cups each season |
It would be nice to have league competitions the way they are structured in real life (encompassing all divisions with seeding) but having league competitions as we do in PES (encompassing only that divisions particular teams) is more than adequate.
| Quote: | | buy and sell players |
Why? What's the difference between one player and the other in FIFA that makes transfers at all beneficial? Oh and I don't know whether you've seen the transfer screens in PES but you can buy and sell there too  
| Quote: | | aim for European glory |
PES has copycat UEFA Cup and UEFA Champions League competitions. A few little bits of editing (name changes, champions league theme tune etc) and the European stage is there for the taking.
| Quote: | | how can the master league in any way remotely compete with that? |
By not competing. The master leagues flaws are in not providing for your every whim but if you stopped to look at what it does achieve you might realise it is more than the sum of it's parts unlike a certain other video game.
I understand you want more added, so do I, but to blast it the way you have is counter-productive. You won't find a better experience than the master league full stop. It is a solid framework backed up by the best footballing engine - it's a killer combination that can and will be improved in the next gen versions I am almost certain. |
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 01:35 Post subject: |
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the graphics from WE9LE are just fine, way better than PES5... any improvements to that will be just ok, since graphics isnt the best this game has to offer.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 08:21 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: |
| Quote: | | compete in the league and FA cups each season |
It would be nice to have league competitions the way they are structured in real life (encompassing all divisions with seeding) but having league competitions as we do in PES (encompassing only that divisions particular teams) is more than adequate.
| Quote: | | aim for European glory |
PES has copycat UEFA Cup and UEFA Champions League competitions. A few little bits of editing (name changes, champions league theme tune etc) and the European stage is there for the taking.
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For you in might be adequate, fair enough, however for me it gets boring playing it on 6* and winning the treble each season (or near enough), it gets boring very quickly playing against the same old teams over and over, the pseudo European competitions are quite basic and due to the lack of teams you face the same teams over and over and over. I'm happy you're happy, but you're the first person I've ever heard say the Master League is a decent career mode.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 09:47 Post subject: |
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The career mode in pes sucks dude, its the only thing i dont like about the game.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006 12:10 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | however for me it gets boring playing it on 6* and winning the treble each season (or near enough) |
This is a problem with many games, particularly once you have mastered it. Football Manager series again have this problem. It can be alleviated somewhat by picking a weaker team and not buying up all the best players though. You will concede more goals in this new version btw, I should have mentioned it's the first PES/WE where the opposition AI has a FOCUSED and realistic attack. I've played previous WE side by side and it's very good how they have finally gotten an AI which is threatening to you (instead of just scoring flukey goals).
| Quote: | | it gets boring very quickly playing against the same old teams over and over |
Edit them yourself or download some patches. There is always full English league patches, Brazilian patches, Italian patches and so on that come out - particularly for the PC version which is much easier to edit.
| Quote: | | the pseudo European competitions are quite basic and due to the lack of teams you face the same teams over and over and over. |
Do you watch European football at all? It's the same teams over and over in real life as well. You'd be forgiven for having a feeling of deja vu when you see Chelsea line up against Barcelona tonight. And it's not ALWAYS the same teams, it's just the strongest teams, something which does change in my games so I don't know why yours doesn't.
Yes it's basic, but it's a solid framework with no faults as such just shortcomings. As a whole it's the best experience you will have. I assume you play all your PES/WE games through the exhibition match screen?
| Quote: | | I'm happy you're happy, but you're the first person I've ever heard say the Master League is a decent career mode. |
Well I'm happy you're happy that I'm happy. I'm not the only person who thinks the Master League is the best career mode (I didn't say decent, I said; BEST), and like you I want to see it improved. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 18:40 Post subject: |
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release date published
27.10.06
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Sep 2006 19:37 Post subject: |
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Not going to be a PC demo apparently
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Threepwood
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 00:34 Post subject: |
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I can't take it!!!!!! I'm playing PES5 for too much. Need PES6 
I wanted to know, if anyone knows, if Boca and River will be in this PES. Cause in PES5 it's only Sao Paulo, but in WE9 they were.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 01:23 Post subject: |
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Boca and River are in it
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Threepwood
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 01:44 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | Boca and River are in it |
Woohoo!! Can't tell you how glad I am. Finally I can play with the club I love. River Plate. |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 12:49 Post subject: |
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Fifa gfx is utter shit. Atleast in current-gen.
Squirrely: Now come on y'all. We can't waste time arguing. There could still be survivors out there. We need to hunt them down, and kill them.
Beary: How about we kill them, and then rape their bodies so we can use their blood as lubricant.
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Threepwood
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Oct 2006 14:30 Post subject: |
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| russ_beer wrote: | You could have just spent half an hour editting the team and voila!
BTW Who cares about graphics on a game like this?? You want nice looking graphics, play fifa. You want to play real football? PLAY PES! |
If I did that I would had to make up the player stats... And there's something about that that doesn't fit |
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Threepwood
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Oct 2006 00:03 Post subject: |
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| anti-flag wrote: | | Threepwood wrote: | | russ_beer wrote: | You could have just spent half an hour editting the team and voila!
BTW Who cares about graphics on a game like this?? You want nice looking graphics, play fifa. You want to play real football? PLAY PES! |
If I did that I would had to make up the player stats... And there's something about that that doesn't fit |
That's an easy one. Just fill everything up with zeros for all the players!
That would make the team as bad as it is in real life. |
Ouch!
Sadly you're right. Bad moment going on. What club are you fan of? |
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Baleur
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Oct 2006 00:31 Post subject: |
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| Unauthorized wrote: | | Fifa gfx is utter shit. Atleast in current-gen. |
On the pc yes. Cant understand why EA always fucks up their sports games on the PC :/
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Ispep
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Oct 2006 02:03 Post subject: |
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It's shit on next gen as well. It's just a lot of pointless GLOSS which makes it look 'next gen' but it's still the same shit underneat and it still looks like shit (regardlses of the special effects).
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Threepwood
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Oct 2006 03:16 Post subject: |
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And the movements are crap too.
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