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If I had to give my personal two cents, it's this:
It is not reasoning, or thinking, or intelligent even in some abstract form. Or even grasping concepts.
It's just so close to it (either close to perfectly emulating it, or close to actually having it soon), we get fooled and can't tell the difference.
I see it as the "Uncanny valley" of Ai. It's all not 'real' but it's close enough that it tricks us into wondering why it's spooky that it feels like it is (or almost is)
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Wed, 13th May 2026 11:57 Post subject: |
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The issue is also we don't know the human brain well enough either, so its gets both confusing and very complex.
"...there's a third, more defensible possibility — that reasoning, understanding, and intelligence are not binary properties but gradients, and LLMs occupy a genuine position on those gradients, not a fake one adjacent to them."
"A child, a painter, and a mathematician do not exhibit the same reasoning capabilities. Yet we still say all of them “reason.”
i totally agree with the LLM on this.
edit: Chinese Room, yes indeed 
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| Posted: Wed, 13th May 2026 21:12 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 13th May 2026 21:29 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | LLM is not AI. |
Someone reset the JokeBot, it got stuck in a loop again.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Just asked AI to generate two Bach-style preludes in F-Minor.
There was no spark of genius in there, seemed a "by the number" random rendition, yet it was competent at worst.
On ne peut rien gagner sans perdre; même le paradis exige la mort.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 17:16 Post subject: |
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For me, the true 'pull the curtain back' on if it truly thinks, reasons, and can have intentionality is let it talk to itself.
(Thanks to the chinese room wiki, that is the word I have been looking for I couldn't remember: intentionality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentionality )
Is setup a small local npm webpage with API making any AI, talk to itself.
I made this little page to test it. Can tell it what to talk about, and what each side is 'like':
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Edit: just realize I had a typo in beach. No biggie didn't run that one typed it as and example for here.
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Give a premise, any premise and let it go.
Eventually it starts looping, making no sense, or sometimes goes right off the rails. I feel that lends to the idea it's not that it does those concepts [think, reason, grasp concepts] on its own, it's the human 1/2 of the conversation that keeps the rails on helping it emulate it does them. Without the human side of the conversation to guide to use as an anchor to keep imitating, it goes goofy eventually.
Edit:
I fixed my typo and let it run for shits and giggles, this is where it got within two minutes, and keeps going and going making less sense, eventually it's barely readable sentences: Just a mash of words focused around beach terms, and business terms, in no coherent order.
I trimed to where it was at least readable sentences still:
(Topic: What is a good business idea for someone near a beach.)
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 20:12 Post subject: |
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I am ashamed to admit that this guy's videos absolutely disabused me of the notion of any kind of reliable intelligence of current LLM models.
https://www.youtube.com/@FatherPhi/videos
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 20:37 Post subject: |
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A dog can't order a pizza for you either, but it has intelligence. People focus on the wrong shit.
"Oh, it does something cool, it is soe intellgienćia zOmG"
or
"It doesn't do this specific thing, checkmate atheists!!!"
But neither is a sign of intelligence. 
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For me it isn't what it can and can't do when prompted that set my personal uneducated stance on it.
It's what it never does that forms it.
AI does not “think” in the way people usually mean when they talk about intelligence. It reacts to input and produces output based on patterns it has learned.
Bacteria react to light, chemicals, heat, and other stimuli, but that does not mean they are intelligent in any sense. It's reactionary. It does not sit around and ponder when alone.
To me, intelligence implies some level of independent cognition, agency, or internal reasoning: forming ideas, reflecting, making choices, and doing mental work on its own when left to its own devices, without simply waiting for a prompt to trigger a response.
AI can simulate parts of that process very convincingly when prompted, but simulation is not the same thing as actual independent thought.
For example if we found alien life, truly alien to us in everyway. We could reasonability deduce if it had any intelligence (even if alien in how it does it) by watching it without ever interacting with it. That's the crux of it to me. Watch an AI for a million years, it does nothing, unless input is given.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 21:01 Post subject: |
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Ok not intelligence, but reliable outcome to any kind of complicated queries of mine.
If they faulter at basic logic or basic (for me) tasks, how can I rely on them with more complicated tasks. I'll never even hope to guess where and at what stage of replying to my question it'll screw something in the final outcome.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th May 2026 02:27 Post subject: |
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Every time I look for a specific term in Encyclopedia Britannica, I can reliably find it. Every year, it grows in knowledge. Checkmate intelligence
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| Posted: Tue, 19th May 2026 22:14 Post subject: |
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https://www.rawstory.com/opposition-to-ai-and-data-centers/
| Quote: | Industry giants panicking as opposition to AI intensifies with unprecedented speed: report
Public opposition to artificial intelligence is intensifying at an unprecedented pace, posing a serious challenge to the industry's expansion plans and reshaping electoral dynamics across the country, according to a new report.
The backlash burst into view in recent weeks when former Google Chief Executive Eric Schmidt was met with chorus of boos while delivering a University of Arizona commencement address, and real estate executive Gloria Caulfield met a similar reaction during her commencement address at the University of Central Florida, reported the Wall Street Journal.
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen something intensify this quickly,” said Gregory Ferenstein, who was part of a team that conducted a recent poll at Stanford University and the University of California, Berkeley.
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| Quote: | | Local opposition has blocked or delayed at least 48 projects valued at $156 billion last year, with a record 20 canceled in the first quarter due to community backlash. Congressional candidates, including Democrat Justin Pearson in Memphis, are centering data-center opposition in their campaigns, finding unexpected common ground across partisan lines. |
| Quote: | “I don’t think I’ve ever seen something intensify this quickly,” said Gregory Ferenstein, who was part of a team that conducted a recent poll at Stanford University and the University of California, Berkeley.
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Hmm...guy never heard of NIMB (Not In My Backyard!). Its an old problem. Not new.
And he needs to get out more and pay attention if he's never seen something intensify this quickly.
I'm with the sentiment of this article, but man is it heavily worded. This isn't an articled worded to tell you what's going on. It's worded to coerce you into joining what's going on.
'Panicking' is a pretty weighted word to use. Word choices: "Burst into view," "increasingly alarming ways," "genuine crisis" these are not editorial clarity, nor neutral.
Looking into it:
- "Obscene notes stating opposition to data centers", false.The note left at Gibson's home read "No Data Centers." That's not obscene.
- The Altman attack is framed as part of the data-center backlash. It wasn't. had nothing to do with datacenters, or datacenter locations.
Anyone got RawStorys main email address? I want to mail them the www.google.com URL. Seems they cannot search check things before publishing them.
Took me about 20 seconds each to find out those was wrong.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th May 2026 03:54 Post subject: |
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There was only a very short window where AI was a democratized tool, when tech-savvy and open minded people could use it to get ahead in life. That window is already closing and we are being priced out and slowly locked out.
All that's left is the negatives and drawbacks being offloaded to the masses who are left to fend for themselves. So the backlash is going to intensify more. But it won't stop the boom, only make it more adversarial.
https://x.com/_The_Prophet__/status/2056805505780334748
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| Posted: Wed, 20th May 2026 16:39 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The UK has failed to protect young people from the “AI jobs apocalypse”, Wes Streeting told the Commons.
The Labour former minister said: “For generations, people believed there was a ladder of advancement, an entry-level job, skills acquired over time, promotion, security, progress.
“Now, many young people fear that artificial intelligence may remove the lower rungs of that ladder altogether...
“These are not irrational fears. They are rooted in real economic change and unless mainstream democratic politics can answer these questions, others will exploit that vacuum. They already are.”
Mr Streeting could be seen seated with Labour former minister Jess Phillips and Labour MP for Kettering Rosie Wrighting in the Commons.
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They can all switch to blue collar work. In a couple of years there will be an overabundance of superfluous tradesmen. A bazillion plumbers and electricians driving prices down and outnumbering demand. Bubble goes pop. And then they get replaced by robots anyway.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th May 2026 17:15 Post subject: |
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This is gonna be huge though. Income and status was always based on intelect. Do good at school, get a good degree and claim your place in the middle class.
This was the past. White collar vacancies are allready declining. It will be the biggest change in the social system since the fall of the ancient regime.
Not for the better though. White collar jobs are gonna be replaced by capital. So everyone will be a worker, unless you have capital. And we still need leadership, but those people will even more so rely on smoothtalking since skill/knowledge will be valued less.
Lawyers, docters, acountants, etc. The classical good middle class jobs: no need for a college degree. These can be replaced with lower educated people supported by AI for knowledge. And when the middle class is gone, it will also lose it's influence. The working class has now true voice in how things are run.
I also fear that goverments gonna use AI to increase their control on society (for instance, the EU digital rights act), probably leading to a powerfull bureaucratic class of goverment fuckups supressing the plebs (again, allready happening in the EU, but also present in China, the latter being way more competent goverment)
So that will be the new system: a huge working class with no power and having a hard time to make ends meet. Some smooth talking bulshitters trying to get a position at the goverment and the filthy rich.
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There will still be jobs, but less of them. So people without wealth will compete for low status jobs for low pay and have no influence on how things are run.
The only exit from the working class is getting famous, or perhaps being good at politics and leading people, but the latter will be probably reserved for the rich.
I also do not see a basic income happening. Sure, goverment could tax the shit out of the wealthy, but then they will just leave to a tax haven. States will have no money to pay the plebs.
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They can't do worse than most people.
People joke how easy it is to confuse and trick AI. You seen the average voter?
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| friketje wrote: | There will still be jobs, but less of them. So people without wealth will compete for low status jobs for low pay and have no influence on how things are run.
The only exit from the working class is getting famous, or perhaps being good at politics and leading people, but the latter will be probably reserved for the rich.
I also do not see a basic income happening. Sure, goverment could tax the shit out of the wealthy, but then they will just leave to a tax haven. States will have no money to pay the plebs. |
None of this is gonna happen. It'll be global revolution before we come even remotely close to this.
The numbers don't decide, the system is a lie. The river running dry, the wings of butterflies.
And you may pour us away like soup. Like we're pretty broken flowers.
We'll take back what is ours. One day at a time.
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@Il_Padrino
It's friketje. He doesn't understand AI. Now I do think he's watched a lot about Ai, based on how and what he says. Just he didn't understand what he watched as well as he thinks he did.
And his approach (at least front facing on here) to AI is hyperbole: It will either go away, or the end of us all.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd May 2026 08:50 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | | friketje wrote: | There will still be jobs, but less of them. So people without wealth will compete for low status jobs for low pay and have no influence on how things are run.
The only exit from the working class is getting famous, or perhaps being good at politics and leading people, but the latter will be probably reserved for the rich.
I also do not see a basic income happening. Sure, goverment could tax the shit out of the wealthy, but then they will just leave to a tax haven. States will have no money to pay the plebs. |
None of this is gonna happen. It'll be global revolution before we come even remotely close to this. |
What is not gonna happen?? It's allready happening. The world is moving towards totalitarianism fast the last 2 decades. The trend is very bad. And totalitarianism comes in many forms: former communist states, Islam, Trumpism/the rich, the EU, etc.
People will simply not be able to revolt. The AI revolution will give many new tools for total goverment control.
I think you don't know history. Supression is the norm, the free world we live in now is the exception. Goverments allready have potent tools to supress the people, these will get better fast. And even with old tech it's not even that hard to supress people. A retarded nation like North Korea can pull it off.
So revolts can be easilty supressed. More so, goverments will try to influence the media so people will not organize themselves. This is allready in almost every major nation. Also in 'free' countries'. (just check the EU digital rights act). The intend doesn't even have to be evil, the goal is the same, total control.
Then the second question: does the leadership want to supress the people?
Yes, for various reasons. First is the psyche of the ruler. Power is their game, it's fun, the backlash doesn't matter. Second people don't like to lose stuff. How richer someone becomes, how more feared and paranoid they are to lose it all. When the rich see they have it all and the masses have nothing and can't escape, they will know what's comming. So they are gonna do something about it using their power. Also happening: I think most people consider Trump a retard, but he's good for buissiness. Wallstreet is his friend as a result.
And it doesn't even have to be the rich. It can aslo be the bureacratic elite that supresses the people (China, personally I would add the EU, but not everyone is gonna agree on this )
If there aren't enough jobs for people to be usefull, the haves will use their power to keep it that way. And live will probably be misserable for the have nots.
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