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DXWarlock
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If I had to give my personal two cents, it's this:
It is not reasoning, or thinking, or intelligent even in some abstract form. Or even grasping concepts.
It's just so close to it (either close to perfectly emulating it, or close to actually having it soon), we get fooled and can't tell the difference.
I see it as the "Uncanny valley" of Ai. It's all not 'real' but it's close enough that it tricks us into wondering why it's spooky that it feels like it is (or almost is)
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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vurt
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The issue is also we don't know the human brain well enough either, so its gets both confusing and very complex.
"...there's a third, more defensible possibility — that reasoning, understanding, and intelligence are not binary properties but gradients, and LLMs occupy a genuine position on those gradients, not a fake one adjacent to them."
"A child, a painter, and a mathematician do not exhibit the same reasoning capabilities. Yet we still say all of them “reason.”
i totally agree with the LLM on this.
edit: Chinese Room, yes indeed 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 13th May 2026 21:12 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 13th May 2026 21:29 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | LLM is not AI. |
Someone reset the JokeBot, it got stuck in a loop again.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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HubU
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Just asked AI to generate two Bach-style preludes in F-Minor.
There was no spark of genius in there, seemed a "by the number" random rendition, yet it was competent at worst.
On ne peut rien gagner sans perdre; même le paradis exige la mort.
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DXWarlock
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For me, the true 'pull the curtain back' on if it truly thinks, reasons, and can have intentionality is let it talk to itself.
(Thanks to the chinese room wiki, that is the word I have been looking for I couldn't remember: intentionality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentionality )
Is setup a small local npm webpage with API making any AI, talk to itself.
I made this little page to test it. Can tell it what to talk about, and what each side is 'like':
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Edit: just realize I had a typo in beach. No biggie didn't run that one typed it as and example for here.
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Give a premise, any premise and let it go.
Eventually it starts looping, making no sense, or sometimes goes right off the rails. I feel that lends to the idea it's not that it does those concepts [think, reason, grasp concepts] on its own, it's the human 1/2 of the conversation that keeps the rails on helping it emulate it does them. Without the human side of the conversation to guide to use as an anchor to keep imitating, it goes goofy eventually.
Edit:
I fixed my typo and let it run for shits and giggles, this is where it got within two minutes, and keeps going and going making less sense, eventually it's barely readable sentences: Just a mash of words focused around beach terms, and business terms, in no coherent order.
I trimed to where it was at least readable sentences still:
(Topic: What is a good business idea for someone near a beach.)
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-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 20:12 Post subject: |
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I am ashamed to admit that this guy's videos absolutely disabused me of the notion of any kind of reliable intelligence of current LLM models.
https://www.youtube.com/@FatherPhi/videos
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 20:37 Post subject: |
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A dog can't order a pizza for you either, but it has intelligence. People focus on the wrong shit.
"Oh, it does something cool, it is soe intellgienćia zOmG"
or
"It doesn't do this specific thing, checkmate atheists!!!"
But neither is a sign of intelligence. 
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DXWarlock
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For me it isn't what it can and can't do when prompted that set my personal uneducated stance on it.
It's what it never does that forms it.
AI does not “think” in the way people usually mean when they talk about intelligence. It reacts to input and produces output based on patterns it has learned.
Bacteria react to light, chemicals, heat, and other stimuli, but that does not mean they are intelligent in any sense. It's reactionary. It does not sit around and ponder when alone.
To me, intelligence implies some level of independent cognition, agency, or internal reasoning: forming ideas, reflecting, making choices, and doing mental work on its own when left to its own devices, without simply waiting for a prompt to trigger a response.
AI can simulate parts of that process very convincingly when prompted, but simulation is not the same thing as actual independent thought.
For example if we found alien life, truly alien to us in everyway. We could reasonability deduce if it had any intelligence (even if alien in how it does it) by watching it without ever interacting with it. That's the crux of it to me. Watch an AI for a million years, it does nothing, unless input is given.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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zenux
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| Posted: Thu, 14th May 2026 21:01 Post subject: |
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Ok not intelligence, but reliable outcome to any kind of complicated queries of mine.
If they faulter at basic logic or basic (for me) tasks, how can I rely on them with more complicated tasks. I'll never even hope to guess where and at what stage of replying to my question it'll screw something in the final outcome.
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LeoNatan
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Every time I look for a specific term in Encyclopedia Britannica, I can reliably find it. Every year, it grows in knowledge. Checkmate intelligence
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