Multiplayer gaming is meh
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 15:45    Post subject: Multiplayer gaming is meh
I've done a fair share of Mp in my time. I'm pretty much done with it now. It's not the games, its modern gamer mentality. Today's gamer, plays a game solo for about 30 mins, googles guide, copies someone with 1000 hours of game knowledge build / advice. It sucks. Even in closed personal friend groups, it takes less than 1 day before 1-2 or 3 people have googled the most OP builds, Best Skill combo, Exploit A B or C. Less than a day and gameplay loop is broken.

win at all cost, google best OP guide -> no one actually plays games anymore. Moar Single-player games plz.

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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 16:01    Post subject:
Difference is that many games today have such massive customization options that you feel lost or exhausted. In those old times you chose some simple abilities or stats and thats it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 16:58    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 17:00    Post subject:
He got outyoutubed Very Happy Youtube them back dude Smile


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Yuri




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 17:22    Post subject:
Till date, the only multiplayer I've liked was in CS1.6/CZ/Source and Svencoop. Hated CS:GO and there's been no new version of Svencoop Sad



1 and 2 are still amazing.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 20:41    Post subject:
Dota 2 is an amazing game, I'll stand by it !


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 21:08    Post subject:
Don't forget guys about cheatfest in multiplayer nowadays Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 21:32    Post subject:
oblaz wrote:
Don't forget guys about cheatfest in multiplayer nowadays Razz


just wanted to say the same, amount of cheaters using aimbots is insane

https://www.tiktok.com/@grem038/live?_r=1&sec_user_id=MS4wLjABAAAA35BRwplLPkcNS3P_MsWH6GgiQQ5v0izC5q-yCFOtfp0NKp9_oSl9rv2Acz2WpgCR&share_app_id=1233&share_link_id=6379d29f-a6a6-4016-ae7a-0938b307414b&source=h5_m&timestamp=1665947136&ug_btm=b2001&ugbiz_name=Live&user_id=6989822643693683718&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_medium=android&utm_source=viber

guy here on tik tok is now live and he offer cheats for apex, wallhack and aimbot. You can also find cheats for warzone, companies doing nothing because high profile streamers which are cheating (nadia and so on) are attracting more people to these games. Amazing how people are ignorant and defend their streaming idols.

Call of shame channel on youtube is exposing those high profile streamers.

I play less and less because of all that.
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 21:48    Post subject:
Just give me back my old school MP gaming where you get what you pay for and none of this autistic fucking "progression" where I gotta grind out bullshit to use what I paid for.

I'm having a blast as fuck with Ground Branch and Ready or Not online with friends for this very reason. You get your gear, go play with it.


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 22:23    Post subject:
Maybe I got lucky with the personal gaming friends part. Unless its a sim game I enjoy playing alone. Id say 75% of my gaming time is multiplayer, but 0% of it is with randos. Unless the game requires it then its me and my friends playing, that just happens to have other people around.

And I say lucky, because over the 20 years as people come and go from the group we all have the same sort of outlook: Dont read a guide, dont read the manual, hell skip tutorial if you can and lets do it the hard way of figure out how things work until we all grow tired of that or learned all we can, then all see what the most outlandish thing we can make/do/build is and do that for a while too.

But maybe it's the birds of a feather flock together sentiment of why we all are the same wavelength. New people that come to the voice chat/gaming with us did so because they also play that way and knew someone in there they already played with. And those that dont get frustrated or eventually wander off to more enjoyable to them groups of other gamer types.

Two of what I would call my best friends and fellow gamers I have known for 20+ years. Talk to everyday. And one I have never actually met in person. I honestly couldnt tell you what he looks like in the past 10 years (last pic I saw of him) I could probably pass him on the street and have no idea who he is. The other Ive been in person with maybe 2 weeks total out of the 20 years..and thats because he got me the job I have and had to train me (Work from home so I only was at his house 2 weeks).

But we have been gaming together for 20 years (and think a lot alike when it comes to game..have to I guess to do it for 20 years), so I think us being the 'OG's of the small group of people we have, sort of filters the sort of people that wander in.


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 22:28    Post subject:
All these new MP games are hero based, esports oriented so of course people will read those guides to understand how to play a specific character and have a chance against others.

I really had high hopes for Battlefield...
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Areius




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 23:03    Post subject:
Still playing TF2 from time to time. It's still a good game, cheaters get voted out in 10 seconds or so, so it's not too bad.


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 23:08    Post subject:
CS/CS:S
BF2/3/4/BFBC2
COD:MW1
Insurgency

Never been into MP at all apart from those

The death of the server browser has been a big factor, I can't stand matchmaking.

And I liked the good old days of going to the same servers to play with people you know. I can still remember the IP addresses I'd use to join IPGN's Counter Strike servers
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 23:28    Post subject:
Areius wrote:
Still playing TF2 from time to time. It's still a good game, cheaters get voted out in 10 seconds or so, so it's not too bad.


Every time I think to try that game again I'm reminded that those people are on a level I'll never get to so I just get stomped on lol


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Oct 2022 23:29    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
Areius wrote:
Still playing TF2 from time to time. It's still a good game, cheaters get voted out in 10 seconds or so, so it's not too bad.


Every time I think to try that game again I'm reminded that those people are on a level I'll never get to so I just get stomped on lol


Ah, Star Craft syndrome. I know it well.
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 00:21    Post subject:
I used to play multiplayer from time to time but nowadays, whether it's because I'm morphing into an asocial old fart or simply because I've lost the appetite for modern nuonline action, I just don't feel the urge anymore. Maybe I'll get back to it, maybe not, who knows really. I have great memories of all the moments spent playing Battlefield 3/4 and Bad Company 2 with the fellow Humpers though, those were a blast Very Happy

Same with Fifa 13/14, the various driving games and Rocket pew-pew League. Back in the day, I enjoyed the good ol' UT/UT2004, CS:S, TF2, L4D2 (versus only), Project Reality, Red Orchestra and so forth, not to mention rFactor and its numerous ghetto servers with all sorts of mods as well as the top-notch trolling sessions.
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 00:38    Post subject:
There was also that time we had that huge Minecraft server that was fun for a while, until I accidentally burned everyone's home down Laughing

Lesson learned, don't give a squirrel a lighter.


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 01:44    Post subject:
Only multiplayer games I play are MMO's. Everything else is a cesspool of shitfuckery.


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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 03:28    Post subject:
I stopped shooters ages ago because anyone can aimbot and bypass anticheat in 2mins google.
Arpg 90% of players copy paste build guides and act smug. Poe.ninja is proof of that.
Crafting/survival games still kind of work
RTS has a wide skill floor, i always easily beat friends, i get wrecked vs. randoms.
MMO, once you have played 1 you have played them all, meh.

That's pretty much state of MP 2022.
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sip74




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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 05:41    Post subject:
Personally haven't bothered with MP in well over a decade, the last game i flogged to death was RTCW which is far and away the best MP experience i've ever had.

From what i've seen many popular modern MP titles are infested with cheaters where nearly every fucker plays for himself while chasing the next unlock and instant gratification. Thanks but no thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 05:48    Post subject:
try to play an MP game
instantly ruined by 12yo hacker
leave MP scene for years
try again
game wants me to take a loan and pay it to unlock OP classes
instantly ruined by 12yo hacker
leave
launch an SP game once in a blue moon
game wants me to spend weeks of full time grinding to unlock a rock to throw at enemies
have to use a trainer to remove all mtx incentivizing mechanics
it still sucks ass
go back to replaying ancient games once in a blue moon
have some fun for a while
wait for a decent game once or twice a decade
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 11:48    Post subject:
Boomer thread

Your 14 year old selves would die for todays games

Spending a better part of adolescence on Genshin Impact, Fortnite, Apex, Lost Ark, Destiny 2 etc.

Trust me, I feel it too, but it's not the games
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 13:42    Post subject:
It is the games Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 14:16    Post subject:
Part of it is getting old and not having enough time to dedicate to the hobby and a more jaded/"mature" mind but to say it is not the games is untrue. Because replaying games of old where the mechanics are not influenced by player data analytics and shareholder committees is a night and day difference.
I think of it like meat. Once a restaurant that used to give you exactly what you asked for: more meat and less fluff. The new restaurant is giving you stuff that may look like meat, a shinier meat even, but it's mostly fake meat and just fluff because it has a better ROI.
I still enjoy games it just happens that games that appeal to and accommodate me are much rarer these days.

Amadeus wrote:
Genshin Impact, Fortnite, Apex, Lost Ark, Destiny 2 etc.



None of these games would have been appealing to my 14yo self because they are grindy weeby shit. You didn't have to spend 1000hrs to unlock the rocket launcher or the plasma rifle in UT or Quake or CS, skins were local mods you could install yourself, for free.. at anytime.
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 15:07    Post subject:
Quite an abstract discussion. Every game is flawed in a different way Very Happy
For shooters imo its mostly atrocious level design and/or short time to kill - no time to react.
I don't mind games being complex and having to google/youtube in order to be competitive but - there's always something else that I do mind.
Can't find a single game where I can invest hundreds of hours anymore, like I did back in the day with Bad Company 2, MAG or Guild wars 1/2..
And I do have enough free time


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 15:24    Post subject:
no time to react cuz ur an old fag now

apex legends is more intensive than cs ever was, tf u say these days games are shit


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 15:32    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
Spending a better part of adolescence on Genshin Impact, Fortnite, Apex, Lost Ark, Destiny 2 etc.

sounds like hell to me
this selection is pretty the opposite what i enjoy in gamse now and similary against everything i enjoyed in games as a teen


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 15:33    Post subject:
Man even if I look at guides for division games im just like fuck it too much. In first one had a nice build a couple of times. Lovely games but that console inventory and 9000 points of information on gear . No spreadsheets plz.

Wow mythic+ sucked me in for some seasons here and there since legion and was fun puggin.
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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 17:54    Post subject:
Doesn't look like most people replying actually know much about/ever played the games they're criticizing, to be honest Very Happy The complexity and sum of entertainment some of them can provide is well worth the time/brain investment, much like those very intricate RPG games a lot of us like ! There's an element of total unpredictability/complexity a solo game can never quite reach - for better or worse.
A number of quoted games have no P2W elements whatsoever, and hackers/cheaters are not so prevalent it's a waste playing them either - unless it's some easily cheated-on game such as Forza and such, in the sense that you can cheat for money/experience levels, but who cares about cheating your progression on such games.

I do agree that I really miss server-based multiplayer for FPS games, matchmaking is extra depressing for such genres, but there are still some of them around.. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon, 17th Oct 2022 18:12    Post subject:
nostalgia is a powerful drug


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