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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 17:13    Post subject:
will they finally have real hdmi 2.1?

getting 4k HDR from PC to TV is still a horrible mess
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 18:20    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Yes, RDNA users still report many issues, if you watch the dedicated threads at Guru3d/OCN etc.
Yeah, one of my buddies is a bit of an AMD fan but even he admitted that they fucked up, so that's how I knew that this time it couldn't be just the usual "amd drivers lololol" schtick Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 19:45    Post subject:
The waifu has AMD, so I'm well familiar with the annoyance it can bring versus the 'It just works but slower every patch'

Bit shitty though. At one hand I don't want to pay team green's prices and on the other hand I don't want team red's drivers. :>


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 20:10    Post subject:
is it really still that big issue and widespread though ? sounds more like a very vocal minority amplified by bad/older driver installs



did u all use driver undeleter DDU ?
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 20:27    Post subject:
Yup that must be it, all of us are computer illiterate compared to your big brain. Laughing

On a more serious note: would I say it's really fucked up: No, but it brings more trouble on average than Team Green's drivers. And yes even they can make a stinker now and then.


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 21:03    Post subject:
I probably read all the threads about every new driver iteration on some of the more technically versed forums and I actually believe people like JBeckman and other guys with those gpus more than youtubers (I don't watch them btw.). I always use DDU myself, then again my heavily tweaked (Core/Mem/ Memtimings) Vega64 with the Morpheus Cooler has zero issue with these drivers. (My last issues were due to a hidden gpu miner)

Of course there may be scenarios where the gpu just works alright, but obviously not all of them did and the reports were a bit too many for my taste. It also took them a bit of time to get Vega going when it came out, maybe RDNA is mostly fixed now and I hope when RDNA2 with Raytracing hits, all will be well.

One thing I love about AMD drivers is the Adrenalin software, except for Memory Timings, you have good control over every aspect. It looks a bit bloated but for a tweaker and OCer, the software is awesome.

I always recommend Nvidia to my lesser technically versed friends. I'm a tinkerer myself, so I don't really care for the little tweaks and stuff.


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 21:33    Post subject:
I like to tinker but at those price points I shouldn't have to... unless it is to extract some bonus performance.


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Feb 2020 21:37    Post subject:
And thats perfectly reasonable.

My gpu was a cheaper second hand chinese version bought in a german forum. It was made for tinkering. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Mar 2020 14:01    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Mar 2020 14:16    Post subject:
Probably a peak at the next Titan.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 07:25    Post subject:
I need your advice on this one :

Got i7-4770k @ 3.50GHz with 16 GB ram and Radeon r9 200 tri x

And want to play at 4K settings (60fps) - will 2080 RTX super suffice ?
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 10:52    Post subject:
you will need overclocked 2080ti for 4k60, even that is not sometimes enough.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 11:13    Post subject:
No, you don't...

He said 4k60, not Ultra-high or whatever...

People always assume it's meant with highest possible details and stuff...
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 13:01    Post subject:
When you shell out that much money people usually assume/expect they actually CAN run the heaviest games a 4k60 with RTX ON and everything on Ultra. Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 13:50    Post subject:
RTX ON 4K Quake II runs like 20-30fps Laughing, but most games are possible 4k60 on 2080ti if you tone down settings to high or so (without RTX ON), ultra is anyway always unoptimized PC only shit.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 14:31    Post subject:
Difference these days between low and ultra is so small. Gone are the days of having a game look completely different so that it can run on several generations of hardware. Now it's just a bunch of diminishing results nonsense, be it because of lack of any care, unoptimized approximation algorithms at scale or tacked on shitty features to put as ticked check boxes. You see this with Switch "miracle" ports, where the only thing these "amazing" porting houses can do is scale down LOD to 1-2m and lower the resolution—basically brute force some kind of acceptable FPS—rather than legitimately have many graphics options they can disable. Most games at medium compared to ultra zomg xxx presets look exactly the same.

So yes, you can play 4K60 on that card. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 16:14    Post subject:
4K and RTX are both inherent "But can it run Crysis"-memes. Developers of AAA titles "guess" what kind of hardware will be available once the game is released and set their design goals based on that. Depending on how much of that performance goal they've built into the actual game (not only engine) we'll see games that when released are just ridiculously demanding since the developers overshot the reality of expected performance.

Add to that lazy development with little time spent on optimization and tuning (time and optimization cost money and publishers want the money "naow", not later) and we have games that present the Crysis experience all over again.

And nVidia with it's RTX tech was underpowered and in my eyes underwhelming, esp. since the performance hit isn't worth it. But at least they got RT on consumer PC's and with new iterations/generations/AMD we'll get better performance and experiences even with mid-range cards (unless something happens it's going to be standard with RT on almost all upcoming GPU's in coming years).


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 16:23    Post subject:
The problem with "RTX" is the implementation. Everything becomes a fucking mirror. It just makes no sense. It comes with the territory. Remember how when pixel shaders first appeared, everyone was putting exaggerated pixel effects to show off their nonsense? Hopefully, as newer generations start appearing and the software matures, we will see much better uses, such as global illumination controlled with ray tracing.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 19:23    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
The problem with "RTX" is the implementation. Everything becomes a fucking mirror. It just makes no sense. It comes with the territory. Remember how when pixel shaders first appeared, everyone was putting exaggerated pixel effects to show off their nonsense? Hopefully, as newer generations start appearing and the software matures, we will see much better uses, such as global illumination controlled with ray tracing.

Yeah the mirror stuff is pathetic. MEtro Exodus uses RTX much better


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 19:29    Post subject:
Metro Exodus looks better with RTX because the engine looks bad without it, simple as that. Look at comparison videos of how bland lighting is in that game, then look at something like RDR2 or even Wolfenstein 2 (without RTX). It's just a bad implementation (or lack thereof) of the illumination algorithm, which is then brute-forced to look better by ray tracing. And it still looks only adequate, compared to other, more advanced engines.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Mar 2020 20:47    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
No, you don't...

He said 4k60, not Ultra-high or whatever...

People always assume it's meant with highest possible details and stuff...


Exactly, I'm not targeting the Ultra settings

Just want stable 4K60 gaming sessions
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Mar 2020 09:33    Post subject:
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Hi. I found another unknown Nvidia GPU whitch has 7936 core counts.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/206992

and CUDA Score of 7552 core counts

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/226859



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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Mar 2020 20:26    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15573/nvidias-2020-gtc-becomes-latest-coronavirus-event-victim-now-digitalonly

Physical event cancelled, digital only.


Seems that corona virus will fuck everything up technology wise. Brother cant get new GPU because of corona virus, RMA has took like nearly 2 months now.
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Mar 2020 20:37    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Mar 2020 14:14    Post subject:
probable gtx 3000 reveal in March and release in June

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-introducing-ampere-in-march-2020-releasing-rtx-3080-in-june-analyst-indicates/

I'm looking foward to 3080Ti


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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Mar 2020 16:13    Post subject:
That article is from November. I'd be surprised if they released in June judging by the lack of momentum.
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Mar 2020 11:08    Post subject:
I'm considering upgrading from 1070 to 2070, but as usual, don't know which brand to go for ( MSI, Palit, Asus, etc ).

I'm interested in best cooling, not that much into OC.

The 1070 I have now is the Jetstream from Palit - can't say I had any issues with it - it does go up on the heating ladder tho.
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Mar 2020 11:47    Post subject:
Danyutz wrote:
I'm considering upgrading from 1070 to 2070, but as usual, don't know which brand to go for ( MSI, Palit, Asus, etc ).

I'm interested in best cooling,.

Pick any hybrid card. EVGA Hybrid, MSI Sea Hawk X, Inno3D etc..


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