Suggest me an ultrabook for work that can play basic games.
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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2019 17:54    Post subject: Suggest me an ultrabook for work that can play basic games.
Best would be something fanless that could play the likes of Spelunky, Axiom verge and some snes/genesis using retroarch.

I have no clue how good the uhd 620 is for this. Aluminum casing would be nice.

Anyone here that plays games on their silent laptops and can point me in the right direction?

Below 2kg.

Currently looking at
https://www.komplett.se/product/1138818/demovaror/datorer/demo-barbara-datorer/acer-aspire-5-156-fhd-matt-demo#

Even i know it's overkill.
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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2019 18:02    Post subject:
I have UHD 620 and MX130 in the laptop, and considering how hot Nvidia gets (hits 75 degrees in less than a minute), I normally use UHD 620 for older and less demanding games. That being said, UHD 620 is perfectly capable for much more than listed, but it's highly recommended that system memory runs in dual-channel mode because graphics performance boost is quite noticeable (esp. if you use complex shader postprocessing in Retroarch).

A comparison:


My Acer laptop is very similar to the one you listed (same i5-8265U CPU, SSD, 8 GB upgraded to 2x8 GB) and both slots of RAM are easily accessible (once you remove the bottom cover).
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2019 18:30    Post subject:
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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2019 19:13    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Vega-3200U-Ryzen-Windows-ASUS-Full-4GB-S-DDR4-Gray-AMD-128GB-mode-Scanner-Home-Thin-Light-10-Fingerprint-15-Graphics-F512DA-WH31-SSD-HD-3-F512DA-15-6/700011839?irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_Wc%3AS2qxYYxyOTg%3AwUx0Mo3EWUknUA3R-VXWuXM0&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_10915&clickid=Wc%3AS2qxYYxyOTg%3AwUx0Mo3EWUknUA3R-VXWuXM0

See if you can find this somewhere in your region.


Was able to find a similar product (about 500$ though) . Dual Chanel ram as well. Seems the vega 3 is as strong as the uhd 620.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2019 20:17    Post subject:
anything with a 3500u or beyond, maybe wait for the 4500u amd versions q1 next year, currently amd ipu blows intel onboard gfx out of the park , twice as fast as 620

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6751_25

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product.php/lenovo+ideapad+c340+14api+81n6008dge+624668 is what i bought recently , touch screen, folds all the way to a tablet mode, 1.6 kg

if u dont need touch, u can go down to 400 euro and get like a 3700u and 16 gigs and score a 512 gig ssd on offer

dont go lower then 3500u, its not worth dropping 2 cores to save 40 euros

i get cinebench r20 64bit benchmark score of 1432 on it

if u want a real gfx card and less portability, ull pay double, but u will get something really modern that runs anything

https://www.mydealz.de/deals/asus-tuf-gaming-fx505dv-bq007t-396-cm-156-60-hz-512-gb-ssd-amd-ryzen-8-gb-1502078 RTX 2060, 512 GB SSD, AMD Ryzen 5 3550H 800+ euro

i decided for portability and usability, touchscreen and tablet just is convenient, and i wont really hardcore game when on the go anyway. and its cheaper , mobile gfx cards really are a scam in my book, 300 euro more in most laptops (1050ti laptiops start at 699+) just for a 4y old gfx card is silly
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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 13:58    Post subject:
So I skipped the usual winter sale, made some more research and came to a new possible laptop.

(with Intel 1065G7)
https://www.komplett.se/product/1137095/datorer/datorer-barbara-laptop/ultraportabel/acer-swift-3-14-full-hd

This whit the iris plus G7 that is as strong and some times stronger then vega 10.

Opinions? Experience with iris graphics?

This is in competition with the surface Laptop 3 13,5 that uses the Intel 1035G7.


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 14:48    Post subject:
Yes, in the Notebookcheck review it beats Vega 10 because of the 16 GB LPDDR4X-3733 Memory vs. 8GB 2400MHZ Memory for the Vega 10. So there's your speed difference in gaming.

That Acer seems to be using LPDDR4X-3733, whereas I've yet to see an AMD option with anything better than 2666Mhz Memory.

That means the Intel will perform better in most Games, if you specifically need an ultrabook in that pricerange. It probably makes it the fastest iGPU out there.

But, since you've upped the price, you're getting into MX250 territory GPUs in ultrabooks. Which is even faster.

Like this one: https://geizhals.de/acer-swift-3-sf314-57g-71gl-steel-gray-nx-hjzeg-001-a2142106.html?hloc=de

Or this one: https://geizhals.de/dell-inspiron-13-5391-r6nxw-a2178998.html?hloc=de


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 15:01    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Yes, in the Notebookcheck review it beats Vega 10 because of the 16 GB LPDDR4X-3733 Memory vs. 8GB 2400MHZ Memory for the Vega 10. So there's your speed difference in gaming.

That Acer seems to be using LPDDR4X-3733, whereas I've yet to see an AMD option with anything better than 2666Mhz Memory.

That means the Intel will perform better in most Games, if you specifically need an ultrabook in that pricerange. It probably makes it the fastest iGPU out there.

But, since you've upped the price, you're getting into MX250 territory GPUs in ultrabooks. Which is even faster.

Like this one: https://geizhals.de/acer-swift-3-sf314-57g-71gl-steel-gray-nx-hjzeg-001-a2142106.html?hloc=de

Or this one: https://geizhals.de/dell-inspiron-13-5391-r6nxw-a2178998.html?hloc=de


I've gotten in to my head that dedicated gpu adds to heat and thus adds to noise. And I don't need a power house. I want the best and lightest I can go without a dgpu. I think the swift 3 linked above might be just that.
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 15:13    Post subject:
dedicated gpu systems usually have a much better cooling system usually and loads more heatpipes as they will not make a new laptop chassis for every little shitty videocard so if u have a light dedicated card the cooling will be overtuned for it as its made to work and fit for the heavy cards too

dont expect any full hd gaming on recent titles on onboard stuff, u will have to lower res to 720p, we arent there yet, thats possibly for end of 2020 depending of what amd pull off with its 4000u series

older titles work great in vega8-10

doing 100fps+ average on halflife 2 full hd highest settings on this 3500u vega 8 with shitty ram


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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 15:18    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
dedicated gpu systems have a much better cooling system usually and loads more heatpipes as they will not make a new laptop chassis for every little shitty videocard so if u have a light dedicated card the cooling will be overtuned for it as its made to work and fit for the heavy cards too


But with the swift 3 I get lots of harddrive, good cpu, lots of ram. All that I need without the thing I don't need.

This system will be for, at most hollow knight "2", ori: will of the wisp and spelunky 2.

For heavier games I have my main system with rtx 2070 super.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 15:24    Post subject:
but it has a dedicated card so should have decent cooling ( a very shitty one though with only 2 gigs of ram for that price , bit scammy knowing that the 250 is actually slower then the 150 card )

ur basicly paying 350+ euro and getting a shitty videocard hardware to save 400 grams of weight
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 17:48    Post subject:
Karmeck wrote:
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I've gotten in to my head that dedicated gpu adds to heat and thus adds to noise. And I don't need a power house. I want the best and lightest I can go without a dgpu. I think the swift 3 linked above might be just that.


Thats fair and in that case, the acer seems to be good choice. I have to say, I dont have much experience with Intel GPU drivers these days, but expect sometimes to have minor issues and obviously alot less driver tweaking, though, I'm sure that wont be necessary on an iGPU anyway.

The Acer is unbeatable, spec wise, thats for sure. Now about the quality of the rest like shell, touchpad, keyboard etc. Its also Acer.


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 18:47    Post subject:
One thing I can't find about the Intel iris G7 is any mention of Vulkan support.

I found this page, but G7 is not on it.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005524/graphics-drivers.html


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 19:45    Post subject:
It should support Vulkan though.

https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jan 2020 20:07    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
It should support Vulkan though.

https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products


Thank you, also found a YouTube video about running dolphin on surface pro 7 confirming this.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2020 08:04    Post subject:
You‘re going to want to wait for AMD, if you can:

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-announces-ryzen-4000-mobile-processors-4800u-and-4800h.html

The iGPU can now use LPDDR4X and will be faster than Intels G7 plus you‘re looking at better single and massive boost in multicore performance, if review show it to be true!


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Karmeck




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2020 15:46    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
You‘re going to want to wait for AMD, if you can:

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-announces-ryzen-4000-mobile-processors-4800u-and-4800h.html

The iGPU can now use LPDDR4X and will be faster than Intels G7 plus you‘re looking at better single and massive boost in multicore performance, if review show it to be true!


Always something better around the corner, I will wait.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2020 15:50    Post subject:
Very Happy


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2020 15:58    Post subject:
buy a cheap 3500u now, then sell it vor give it to a loved one ,ur looking at a 6 months wait +
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couleur
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2020 16:05    Post subject:
1Q 2020. Thats in the next 3 month.


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jan 2020 16:09    Post subject:
they gonna sell like hotcakes and always supply issues
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