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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 09:22    Post subject:
JackQ wrote:
I am considering to get the

1024GB (1TB) Samsung 860 EVO - 2.5 inch - SATA3 6GB - 7mm - 540/520 MB/s - Retail

it is good?



Why would it not be? lol
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Mar 2019 22:51    Post subject:
1tb ssd: samsung evo / mx500 / silicon power a55. a55 is 30% cheaper but seems to also have tlc 3d nand and even slc buffer? I already know to avoid qlc... tlc seems to be the "premium" now.
I plan to get 1tb for everything and 120gb for a system drive to replace my plextor with it's archaic 200mbps speeds (it was an ok ssd in 2011!)


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deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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Danyutz




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Apr 2019 20:22    Post subject:
Got a new 250gb Samsung to replace my previous 128gb one ( which I installed in the laptop )
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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Apr 2019 22:26    Post subject:
So what's the punchline?
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2019 02:37    Post subject:
Laughing
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dangerouseddy




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Apr 2019 19:56    Post subject:
well the ssd with rgb lighting sure work well, in that they get so hot they stop working:-



dont think its been posted before.


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skx7




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PostPosted: Wed, 1st May 2019 01:25    Post subject:
I slam in all machines the Samsung EVO 860 series of 500GB... good value for its price if you ask me. In my Thinkpads I put as well a 2nd Samsung MSATA SSD, these are quite impressive if you see that their size are as big as a RAM stick Very Happy
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skx7




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PostPosted: Wed, 1st May 2019 01:32    Post subject:
dangerouseddy wrote:
well the ssd with rgb lighting sure work well, in that they get so hot they stop working:-



dont think its been posted before.


and the guy is proudly saying he has 30 years PC building experience Laughing Blame your case and mounting the SSD instead of having wasted 12minutes of my life Laughing Such a case and he manages to let his SSD overheat Laughing I guess you need to have indeed 30years experience to pull this one off
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st May 2019 02:29    Post subject:
If the RGB is heating up (higher or just about the operating temps) the SSD how is that the fault of his case?

Did you watch it or skip through it?


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dangerouseddy




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PostPosted: Wed, 1st May 2019 14:17    Post subject:
75 leds Laughing what sort of newb thought it would need that many to light up


no wonder it goes thermonuclear even when the cases airflow is over it when the leds are on.


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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st May 2019 14:36    Post subject:
skx7 wrote:

and the guy is proudly saying he has 30 years PC building experience Laughing Blame your case and mounting the SSD instead of having wasted 12minutes of my life Laughing Such a case and he manages to let his SSD overheat Laughing I guess you need to have indeed 30years experience to pull this one off

You didn't even watch it did you? Had nothing to do with where he mounted it, the case, or his experience.
it was 70+ LED's in the badly designed SSD that caused it. He took it out and blew fans directly on it, still same issue.


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 2nd Jun 2019 12:59    Post subject:
I am in the process of searching for new mobo, cpu, ram and drives.
If I went intel and z390 route, I can get msi z390 gaming plus motherboard with two m.2 x4 slots. Ive never used m.2 ports so help me understand.
Can I just get one 240gb fast nvme and one 1tb normal m.2 drive amd fill those two m.2 ports? Or will saturation of both ports slow down pcie or something?
Also - any specific system and games drives recommendations? Just samsung evo?


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Janz




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PostPosted: Sun, 2nd Jun 2019 14:00    Post subject:
first: would wait for ryzen 3xxx

second: for normal usage there is absolutely no difference between nvme or sata (doesnt matter if m2 sata or normal sata) ssds. you wont notice the higher speeds unless you use multiple nvme ssds and always transfer big data between them. and they tend to get very hot, you should know that. and ofc they are still more expensive than standard sata ssds. if you dont need new drives you shouldnt buy m2 ones just to have m2 ssds

and towards your questions, if you populate that board with an nvme ssd in the first m2 slot and sata m2 ssd in the second slot you will lose the sata5 + sata6 ports but nothing else will be affected
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 2nd Jun 2019 14:09    Post subject:
Good thanks. So nvme does not make sense but normal 500/500 is still ok. I just ha e this very old 120gb slow plextor ssd for system and hdd 1tb for games. Would be nice to replace both with m.2 ssd drives (not nvme as You say) just to have ssd only system and cleaner setup.
Waiting for ryzen is kinda out of the question. Pc is dead fir 2 days and I am already loosing my mind here Laughing . Besides - waiting 3 months will not reward me with any bigger performance in games and I dont care about productivity... From the look of things - 9600k will be as fast or faster than any upcoming ryzen in games. Core count might be important but not soon.


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Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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Janz




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PostPosted: Sun, 2nd Jun 2019 15:13    Post subject:
even m2 sata ssds cost more than regular sata ssds, there is no point in investing more money than needed if you have enough space in the case and sata ports
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jun 2019 11:02    Post subject:


whoa, 1TB PRO for ~350eur Shocked


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and yes, mine is only average
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Janz




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jun 2019 15:25    Post subject:
prices are going down since weeks and tbh 350 euros is still pricey, here the cheapest store offer is 309 euros, the normal sata 860 pro only costs ~250 euros
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jun 2019 15:29    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:


whoa, 1TB PRO for ~350eur Shocked


Still no sense buying this over eg. EVO Plus unless you are running databases and other I/O heavy stuff on it.

Very good graphs showing why we dont notice any actual difference between the SSDs even some of them cost much much more than the others.





https://www.anandtech.com/show/13761/the-samsung-970-evo-plus-ssd-review/6


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jun 2019 15:56    Post subject:
i guess pci4 will make a difference ?
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Frant
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jun 2019 19:00    Post subject:
User case Pickup, user case.


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Jul 2019 14:30    Post subject:
Sinking city winrar unpacking of 17gb isodemo. Results are of unpacking the game on each drive (so packed files were copied to destination and unpacked there)
SSHDD - 10:20 + a lot of noise
Sata SSD - 5:00
Nvme - 3:00 min
Yeah it's nice. Normally I would say nvme is not worth it but with current prices often matching sata? why not.


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Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Aug 2019 11:10    Post subject:
so far only 2 SSDs are PCIe4
Corsair MP600 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD
ADATA XPG GAMMIX S50 PCIe Gen4x4

the others are taking their time..

@escalibur - I don't see a comparison between EVO/+ and PRO
also usually PRO uses different controller/chips


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Aug 2019 11:23    Post subject:
Pro is for workstation, it is more durable, in other words its made for heavy write / read usage. What goes for SSD´s, it is absolutely overkill for any normal user to buy anything more than lets say newest EVO series, dont get blinded for the numbers on the drive, you are not going to see any difference between normal SSD and NVMe or even thses new PCIe 4.0 drives if you are just gaming and browsing the hump, your PC is not going to be any faster, ofcourse you can unpack your ISO demos faster with higher numbers.
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Aug 2019 17:46    Post subject:
Ive argued with my friend over that almost weekly on how big a difference SSD vs NVME is.
He owns a computer store in Ohio. And he swears up and down NVME is WAY faster than SSD, like a clearly noticeable daily difference.
Maybe for minority of use cases and unique situational users. But overall end consumer user I think will be same/same essentially.

For example I had 2 SSD's in my machine, microcenter near him had NVME's on sale and he sent me one. I put it in, replacing one of my SSD's that had the OS on it, to the NVME.
I can honestly say if you snuck in and changed them without me knowing. I would have NO idea there was a change.
Thought maybe it was just me and my use case, but same results when I put a NVME in my sons upgrading from a evo 850.

Sure on paper maybe on a degree of a second or so on bootup time, or photoshop taking 5.7 vs 6.3 seconds to open.
But day to day. No noticeable difference at all. Both are waaay fast enough that I don't 'notice' lag doing anything (that period of time that makes you consciously think "this is sluggish").
Like windows reboots so fast POST takes longer than windows to get to desktop. I can reboot and get back in before discord or teamspeak realizes I timed out, people just notice I went quiet for about 15 seconds. (On both the old SSD and the new NVME)


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Aug 2019 18:16    Post subject:
I was skeptical but nvme corsair mp510 unpacks the same files in 3 minutes while sata ssd in 5 and hdd in 10.


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Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Aug 2019 18:25    Post subject:
and how long does it take when u unpack from sata ssd to another ssd ? , usualy unpacking works best when two drives involved
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Aug 2019 19:10    Post subject:
Did not tested it. Only copied vampyr packed to each drive and unpacked with a timer and nothing running in the background. And that's on 3700x, so no throttling there.
Right now I only have Corsair mp510 480gb and I am keeping it for system drive etc. I am getting the same model but 960gb next week, so I can do some test between these 2


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Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Aug 2019 11:53    Post subject:
(Toshiba) Marvell Adds 88SS1320-series PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/marvell-adds-88ss1320-series-pcie-gen4-nvme-ssd-controller-to-portfolio.html


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and yes, mine is only average
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tonizito
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Aug 2019 20:48    Post subject:
Should I get a couple of discounted crucial bx500 480Gb for 50€ each for a couple of older laptops (me parents)?


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Aug 2019 10:17    Post subject:
if their laptops don't have SSD, and the laptops can accommodate the SSD - then yes definately
currently any SSD is far better than HDD, and there are no bad choices as far as defects

in the news:

Toshiba CM6: Server SSDs with PCIe 4.0, 6,400 MB/s and up to 30 TB
Quote:
Toshiba announced its first enterprise SSD based on PCIe 4.0. The Toshiba CM6 offers up to 30 TB of storage space in a 2.5-inch form factor and achieves more than 6.4 GB/s via PCIe 4.0 x4, the manufacturer promises.

At the announcement, Toshiba Memory confidently speaks of the " fastest PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD for enterprise applications " in the industry. The editors have not yet come across any other enterprise SSD with PCIe 4.0, which makes the statement seem credible, at least in the short term. The CM6 with 800 GB to 30 TB is to be available in the 2.5-inch housing with U.2 connection. If the host system also provides PCIe 4.0, it should reach more than 6,400 MB/s in sequential read.

Such speeds have so far reached only enterprise SSDs with significantly more PCIe lines. PCIe 4.0 allows twice the throughput per lane compared to PCIe 3.0, so PCIe 4.0 x4 works just as fast as PCIe 3.0 x8. The CM6 should also support NVMe 1.4 (PDF), a new version of the software interface for PCIe SSDs.


sause: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/toshiba-cm6-server-ssds-with-pcie-4-06400-mbs-and-up-to-30-tb.html


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and yes, mine is only average
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