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Janz




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 19:11    Post subject:
i would go for a faulty mainboard in the first case, doa can happen. and im not a fan of msi boards, had so many fucking problems with stuff from them (mostly oem boards made by msi but still msi) and a dead z170 msi board recently too (recently means last year though). might be even the case that the board doesnt like the ram sticks, can happen too, but most likely it should start in the first place in safemode with them and then they wouldnt work in 9 of 10 cases in the other slots.

@konkol: the delidded cpu? ofc not, but the board yes ofc when its doa
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 19:22    Post subject:
I'd RMA the board.

I had that with an MSI board once. Memory errors & problems, that I narrowed down to one of the board mounting holes, that had 2 lanes going through it. When screw was tightened down, it caused the above, was a PITA!
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 19:27    Post subject:
Why oh why didn't you just get a de-lidding tool if you planned on doing it from the get go? It costs only a fraction of your entire build. Razz

Probably the problem being the board though. Check if the RAM is compatible with it, so you don't end up with the same problem with the replacement.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 19:31    Post subject:
@scara: no rma, rma takes weeks and he will just get another board then. he just need to send it back and gets his money back
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 19:44    Post subject:
so bob just fucked up a 350 euro chip? what a shame Dude Cool


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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 19:57    Post subject:
Why didn't you try the cpu with the stock plebeian cooler before de-liding it? Mind Is Full Of Fuck

And maybe now you'd be less of an MSI fanboi if it's from the mobo...
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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 20:14    Post subject:
konkol84 wrote:
wait wait... will amazon replace it as warranty?

Well, as they luckily don't seem to check products you send back, yes... grinhurt

@scaramonga
Yea like Janz said, i can just send it back and get replacement.
The board will arrive thursday. Just CPU takes more than a week.

@Morphineus
I wanted to get that Delid Tool. But it was ~35€ in total because the fuckers added shipping costs and payment fees.
Also it's not in stock with Caseking since ~2 weeks. They say it might be in stock at 19th again.
Will see, and then order that tool, meh. Embarassed


@tonizito
Yea, was pretty dumb by me to not check the parts first if they even work. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue, 18th Apr 2017 20:16    Post subject:
No problemz, I'd probably make the same mistake due to all the excitement Razz

Good luck with the replacement


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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 05:48    Post subject:
Well, after the CPU fuckup i started considering again if it's not better to go for Ryzen now. Maybe the 1600x or 1700.

As i still only play in FullHD and 60 Hz, i won't notice that i might only get for example 100 instead of 120 FPS with Ryzen.

And if i go higher in resolution, which i probably will with that 1080 now, the CPU becomes less of a bottleneck anyways.

Oh and the AM4 platform is said to live for at least 4 years. That's another plus compared to Intel with their regular socket change fucking.

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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 10:47    Post subject:
On the picture you can clearly see that you fucked up your CPU (bottom left corner), the scratch is deep. Im really surprised if this CPU goes through RMA?

Go for Ryzen, it will run circles with 7700K when games start to use more cores and it will not bottleneck anything in current games.
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 12:27    Post subject:
The AM4 platform is supposed to stay around a few years. So if you want to upgrade later go for 1600, if you want it all now 1700 and OC to 3.8Ghz.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 14:57    Post subject:
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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 17:37    Post subject:



Yea i will get the new replacement mainboard tomorrow.
Gonna try it out first with the 7700k, to see if its maybe really just the mobo that is faulty.

If still not working, i guess i will indeed go for Ryzen 1600(x) and overclock it to like 4Ghz.
I read next year "Zen 2" is coming out too. Gonna be interesting to see what it will offer.
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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 17:54    Post subject:
I've just read some stuff about new Intel 6 core CPUs coming in august, price range 300-350€??


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 18:05    Post subject:
@m3th0d2008
Computerbase? Very Happy

Yea just read it too. Posted it in the CPU thread.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 18:05    Post subject:
Honestly, dont expect Ryzen to overclock to 4.Ghz. The 1600X maybe, the 1600, maybe not.

From what I read, most people reach 3.9Ghz, some do 4.0, but there is a bit of luck involved. So dont expect it.

edit: you can wait for August, can you. Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 18:08    Post subject:
@couleur
Aren't the 1600 and 1600x basically the same CPU? Meaning both should overclock to the same values.
And i read that the 1600(x) are a bit better at overclocking than the 1700. Some even managed 4.1 GHz.

And no, i definately won't wait any longer for a new CPU now.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 18:09    Post subject:
I surely can and will if that shit is actually true. By then, I will also be able to buy an new PSU,GPU and a 2nd display ontop of the CPU/Board/RAM combo. I guess old sandy has to hold out for a little more Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 18:27    Post subject:
@Bob Barnsen

Yes, both are basically the same chip. But, the 1600X can boost up to 4.0Ghz (4.1Ghz XFR) and the 1600 can only boost up to 3.6Ghz (3.7XFR). It means the 1600X is the better binned chip. Also they will boost only 2 cores, not all 6.

So chances are the 1600X can do 4.0 allcore or even 4.1 allcore with some luck and good cooling. Whereas if you get a 1600 that can do 4.0 or 4.1, you'll be lucky. So I'd expect nothing more than 3.8-3.9 from the 1600s and 3.9-4.0 from the 1600X.

You never know what you get since its unofficial overclocking we are talking about. They dont HAVE to do more than what they should. But often, they can.


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PostPosted: Wed, 19th Apr 2017 18:35    Post subject:
@couleur
That's a good point, that the 1600x will probably have the better selected chips.

I still feel a bit strange that after the 7700k i'm now considering a CPU that costs nearly ~80€ less.
Also i would prefer to go for the 1700, as in my head it's ranked higher than the R5 series.
But looking at benchmarks it's not worth it at all if i mostly game. Even worse in some games.


Will already be looking for a good combo of mobo and RAM, so that i might be able to order and get it before the weekend.

I just hope Amazon won't fuck me, if i send back the 7700k, two Z270 boards, and 2x8GB RAM... Laughing Surprised Sad
(Though i haven't even tested yet the used 1080 i bought grinhurt)
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 18:44    Post subject:
Got replacement board, still same fucking with the RAM slots Laughing Sad

Well, i guess Ryzen 1600x/1700 it is then. Very Happy

Now to also decide on the mainboard. Possible candidates:
- ASUS Prime X370-Pro
- MSI B350 Tomahawk
- ASRock X370 Killer SLI
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 20:10    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
Got replacement board, still same fucking with the RAM slots Laughing Sad

Well, i guess Ryzen 1600x/1700 it is then. Very Happy

Now to also decide on the mainboard. Possible candidates:
- ASUS Prime X370-Pro
- MSI B350 Tomahawk
- ASRock X370 Killer SLI


The ASUS Prime X370-Pro wins here, except if you want to get the lowest price, then the Tomahawk is certainly good enough, especially if you only plan on mild OC and no SLI.

The 1700/Tomahawk combi is a hell of a price/performance combi compared to anything Intel has to offer atm. But this board isnt really in the same league as the other two since its B350 based.

The ASUS Prime X370 supposedly has the best VRMs (I know geizhals says it has less of them than the ASRock here, but they apparently are better quality. read about it here: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html )

The ASUS and the ASRock both have the better Intel NIC, but on top of that, the ASUS also has the better Audio chip. (Not sure if I could tell the difference on both these things tbh, but yea.)

So between the ASRock and the ASUS, the ASUS apparently is the better package. The ASRock only has some bling bling which I dont care about at all.

@Paxsali: You bought your stuff yet?


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 20:17    Post subject:
Hope you'll fare better this time bob Smile We want some pics when done! Also, test that 1080 already Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 20:56    Post subject:
Bob der8auer posted video how you can delid Ryzen CPU Laughing JK, sorry for your loss, lets hope amazon bros are blind and the CPU goes through RMA. Also glad you went for AMD ryzen, good choice (i would get the 1700).
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Janz




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 20:58    Post subject:
ehm bob, you really wanna resend the cpu you damaged? they will see that and thats fraud what you want to do. did scamwalda told you to do that? Razz

if its primestable i would give a shit on dual channel and use it
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 20:59    Post subject:
@couleur
I also did a short comparison between the boards now:
https://geizhals.de/?cmp=1582178&cmp=1580868&cmp=1582146

Well, the Asrock fell out, because no USB 3.1 connectors. Are they serious in 2017?!

Now to decide between the Asus and MSI. Preferring the MSI slightly more because of the visuals. And because i could see the Z270 variant of it in life already.. grinhurt


@Morphineus
I hope so too. Very Happy
Funnily i don't really have any desire to install the 1080 in my current PC. Want to experience all the new parts at once.



@Janz
I will see what will come out of this. But after i read that other people got obvious fucked up products (that were labeled as "used: like new"), i really doubt Amazon will check it.

But of course i will not just send it back, and say "beacuse i didn't like it". I will write as the reason that the CPU is faulty and that those two RAM slots still didn't work after the replacement board. What THEY do with that info, is not in my hands.


@Breezer_
Laughing Yea i should try delidding the soldered Ryzen. Cool Face



Though 1600x nor the 1700 are in stock in Amazon. Sad
And i really want to order from them because of the hassle-free support.
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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Apr 2017 23:11    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
ehm bob, you really wanna resend the cpu you damaged? they will see that and thats fraud what you want to do. did scamwalda told you to do that? Razz

if its primestable i would give a shit on dual channel and use it

I agree with you, it is wrong, but I'd still do it. We are talking about a big company, it's basically the same as using a pirated windows Cool Face

Edit: Good luck with everything Bob! Shit happens but I hope you get a nice new build soon!
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