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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 16:33    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
^ The results you post are at stock, yes? So with such a massive OC, this card seems to be a beast. Maybe I'll switch to Nvidia this time around. But lets wait for more tests.


Yea those are from stock clocks. Supposedly they are from some chinese Nvidia slideshow.

For OC they only did some benchmark in 3DMark.
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 16:35    Post subject:
It would be damned impressive. Though I can get a run through 3DMark at higher clocks than are 24/7 stable.


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 16:38    Post subject:
Laughing Nvidia just wont allow AMD to win in anything (okay, in 3 years RX480 will win when there is no driver support for pascal). RX480 would be fantastic card, if it just would overclock more.
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 16:40    Post subject:
Lets hope the custom 480s will overclock better, at least they come with an 8-pin connector.


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 17:25    Post subject:
i dunno why you people are surprised
1060 is bacially 1080/2, now take 1080 benchmarks and cut them in half and so is the price
700/2=350 LOL
i expect custom 480 will be around 300, still cheaper than 1060
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:11    Post subject:
Computerbase.de did some tests with Vulkan API in Doom4:





Seems like Nvidia has to work on their Vulkan implementation. Sadly, there will probably not be many games running Vulkan. Sad

source: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/doom-vulkan-benchmarks-amd-nvidia/#diagramm-doom-mit-vulkan-2560-1440


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:25    Post subject:
Nearly 40fps boost on Fury X, jesus, meanwhile max 2 fps on geforce cards Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:35    Post subject:
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So now you can't post reviews here on the GPU discussion thread? Good to know Facepalm Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:43    Post subject:
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Nearly 40fps boost on Fury X, jesus, meanwhile max 2 fps on geforce cards Laughing

no worries vulkan will die as fast as mantle, nv will see to it Whirling cane
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 18:52    Post subject:
So where's the 1080 in that computerbase test?
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PostPosted: Tue, 12th Jul 2016 19:36    Post subject:
it would probably be right there with the furyx Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 07:49    Post subject:
Grain of salt indeed...those 1060 "leaks" are so funny,they have downplayed 480 a lot(naturally). Laughing
Someone took time and made a chart where he took 480 and 960 reviews from TPU and computerbase and compared it to the "review guide".



Better to wait for proper reviews as always. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 08:10    Post subject:
So according to that chart the 1060 in the leaked results is generally slower than the 480 on max in the legit reviews?

Nice fail indeed. Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 09:14    Post subject:
Since only the "Nvidia Review Guide" has results which don't follow the trend, it seems like their numbers are likely false. Does anyone have a link to the review?

My early guess is that they tested the cards in a game that strongly favors Nvidia, most likely a game with hairworks or similar effects (Witcher 3?). This would explain the AMD card being severely weaker in that one review.
With that said, it would still leave the 480/1060 at equal strength which would greatly surprise me.

As arrogant as Nvidia can be, I wouldn't expect them to release a card of equal strength, with slightly less VRAM, for +50$. Unless maybe Nvidia just truly cannot produce it at a cheaper price and they still want to sell a card at that price point. But I don't see it, I'm guessing something else fucked up in the comparison.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 09:20    Post subject:
Kanint wrote:

As arrogant as Nvidia can be, I wouldn't expect them to release a card of equal strength, with slightly less VRAM, for +50$. Unless maybe Nvidia just truly cannot produce it at a cheaper price and they still want to sell a card at that price point. But I don't see it, I'm guessing something else fucked up in the comparison.


Isn't that exactly the case at launch with 970 vs 390?
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 09:50    Post subject:
Stige wrote:
Kanint wrote:

As arrogant as Nvidia can be, I wouldn't expect them to release a card of equal strength, with slightly less VRAM, for +50$. Unless maybe Nvidia just truly cannot produce it at a cheaper price and they still want to sell a card at that price point. But I don't see it, I'm guessing something else fucked up in the comparison.


Isn't that exactly the case at launch with 970 vs 390?

The 390 released after the 970, for the exact same price the 970 launched at (329$), with equal overall DX11 performance but double the vram, slightly improved performance at higher resolution and (based on current evidence, could change) better support for DX12/Vulkan.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 10:30    Post subject:
but with shitty drivers and way more power consumption. was still a hard decision which advantage to prefer Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 11:16    Post subject:
shitty drivers hurr durr. Didnt experience "shitty drivers" on my 6870, 7950 or 290X, the occasional beta driver problems excluded. Note: beta drivers. And where are the shitty drivers for the 390s?

The power consumption is another matter.


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 11:32    Post subject:
The 290X got proper driver support, non-flagship cards like the 280X did not.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 11:57    Post subject:
The 280X was a rebrand of the 7970 which, from my knowledge, did not have any problems with driver support.


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 11:58    Post subject:
proekaan wrote:
Grain of salt indeed...those 1060 "leaks" are so funny,they have downplayed 480 a lot(naturally). Laughing
Someone took time and made a chart where he took 480 and 960 reviews from TPU and computerbase and compared it to the "review guide".

PIC

Better to wait for proper reviews as always. Smile

Is there a source to that pic? Or who is that "someone"?


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 12:01    Post subject:
Anyone can take the 480 -> 960 average increase percentage from CB or techpowerup and create an excel chart. Dont need to be someone special to do that.


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 12:08    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
proekaan wrote:
Grain of salt indeed...those 1060 "leaks" are so funny,they have downplayed 480 a lot(naturally). Laughing
Someone took time and made a chart where he took 480 and 960 reviews from TPU and computerbase and compared it to the "review guide".

PIC

Better to wait for proper reviews as always. Smile

Is there a source to that pic? Or who is that "someone"?


Just a user on Anandtech forums. Smile

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38353859&postcount=875

edit. But ya, you can do some research of your own and you will find the "leaked" numbers are skewed. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 12:12    Post subject:
Kanint wrote:
As arrogant as Nvidia can be, I wouldn't expect them to release a card of equal strength, with slightly less VRAM, for +50$. Unless maybe Nvidia just truly cannot produce it at a cheaper price and they still want to sell a card at that price point. But I don't see it, I'm guessing something else fucked up in the comparison.

nV is so full of it that you are underestimating their fanboys, they are almost as sickening as apple fanboys Laughing
do you people really think that 1070 or any other cards actually cost so much to make?
i'd say the actual cost of 1080 would be 200$ just like with iphone 6 which is like 150$, problem is iphones are mass produced and nV cards this days are like ferrari's you have to be chosen to own one grinhurt
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 14:00    Post subject:
So AMDs new Crimson 16.7.2 was released to resolve their power draw issue. It also brough about 6% more performance in 1440p in computerbase.de's test suite (not even max power target) but at a cost of 7 Watts. Or 5 Watt less power draw in compatibility mode. Compatibility mode reduces the power by 2% putting it at about equal performance to 16.6.2, the official driver that was released with the card. With 132 Watts less power draw than the 390 but about equal performance, power draw might still be an issue to some, but personally, I could not care less, beeing used to 290X power draw.

At 1080p and stock settings the card is now 4% away from the 970 but still 9% slower than the 980.

At 1440p and stock settings the 480 now sits just in between 970 and 980, with 8% more than 970 and 7% away from 980.

One should be aware that 970s and 980s overclock alot better though.

So if partners like Sapphire can somehow provide further OCing capabilites (which is likely, since they'll pretty much all be using 8-pin power connectors), the card might just be ready for the 1060. It will be an interesting battle for sure.

Here are the results:





source: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/radeon-rx-480-crimson-16.7.2-test/2/


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 14:34    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
The 280X was a rebrand of the 7970 which, from my knowledge, did not have any problems with driver support.


I'm going to elaborate on it because I want this clusterfuck to be remembered.

The 7970 was supported fine as long as it was a flagship. The rebranded 280X however was a mid-tier card and AMD couldn't give a fuck supporting it. At a time when gaming culture was going wild over indie games that used DX9, AMD basically broke DX9 on the 7970/280X and didn't care to fix it for half a year.

I remember installing drivers back and forth, old drivers to play an indie game, new driver to play a AAA game, repeat...

It makes me mad how easily people forgive AMD for that shit.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 14:48    Post subject:
What indie game was that?

I dont remember having any difficulties with my 7950 though I have not played everything certainly.

edit: and people easily forgive alot of things, be it Nvidia or AMD, both had their share of bad drivers.


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2016 15:18    Post subject:
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What indie game was that?

I dont remember having any difficulties with my 7950 though I have not played everything certainly.

edit: and people easily forgive alot of things, be it Nvidia or AMD, both had their share of bad drivers.


I have owned CF 7950 (crossfire was as shit as SLI), 7970, 290, 290X, and never had any more problems with drivers than on geforce cards. Both camp drivers are shit at times, true story.
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