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ramalan




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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:24    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
They are doing their comparisons in a stupid way, especially that now youtube supports 60fps.

The gameplay is slowed down twice on both sides.
So pc on the left is 30 and xbone on the right is 15.... what kind of comparison is that


Are you for real?
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:25    Post subject:
So what kind of magical protection this uses when it's so hard to crack?
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:25    Post subject:
@H4wkeye
Supposedly it's denuvo (ex-SecuShit developers)


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:34    Post subject:
Wasn't it EXECrypt?

Or maybe Denuvo is the company behind that DRM?


But most new protection schemes take a while before they get cracked and then it goes pretty fast for the other games using the DRM no?
(Or maybe that was back then with "classical" copy protections like SecuROM, Tages and Star-Force.)
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:36    Post subject:
Oh and here's the DF article if anyone wants to read it;

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-lords-of-the-fallen-face-off

Seems a 780/i5 is enough for near-constant 60 with max settings on PC while the game fails miserably on both consoles. It is very strange how DF didn't include the framerate overlay for the PC vs XX faceoff, but only on the PS4 vs XB one.

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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:38    Post subject:
I don't think Deck13 has much experience with consoles and this would probably be their first attempt for XBO and PS4 so with the game designed primarily on PC for PC the porting results would be a bit lackluster compared to having a multi-platform compatible engine directly such as licensing Unreal Engine or something.
(I guess ideally you'd want a core branch for the game data and then a separate branch for Durango, Orbis and PC, perhaps even separate teams dedicated to each platform but that needs a larger development studio and more money.*)

(* Of course this doesn't guarantee good results either such as Ubisoft Kiev with it's PC version development of many of Ubisofts franchises - maybe they just need more time for each project? - or CAPCOM or Square depending on whom they hire such as QLOC for one project and doing it internally for another.)
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:40    Post subject:
Heh, well Deck13 screwed up the PC version of Venetica too... man that game was a mess Sad Shame too as the game itself was really fun. I kept hoping for an improved version and was banking on the upcoming Steam release to fix a few things, but then the publisher filed for bankruptcy so the Steam release was cancelled.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:42    Post subject:
Hmm yeah there's that too, thinking about it these smaller publishers probably don't have it easy either what with giants like Ubisoft and EA dominating the market.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:43    Post subject:
Yup, sadly. There's very little room for the "little guys" next to some of the powerhouse publishers Sad
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:45    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Holy shit, even the first few SECONDS show how terrible the framerate is on the XBONE Neutral

KillerCrocker wrote:
So pc on the left is 30 and xbone on the right is 15.... what kind of comparison is that


That's not how slowdown works, KC. PC is still 60fps, XBONE is still 25-30.

You are wrong.
Eurogamer is always doing their comparisons the same way. They slow down both footages so the 60fps pc footage becomes 30fps (so its slowed 2 times) and console framerate respectively. In that case 15fps. They do that just to showcase relative difference between 60 and 30fps but showing how much frames are missing in slowed down 30fps... its kinda weird to do but it gets the point through


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:46    Post subject:
Whatever you say.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:48    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
Hmm yeah there's that too, thinking about it these smaller publishers probably don't have it easy either what with giants like Ubisoft and EA dominating the market.

well no surprise there when most of the publisher's(stands for both DTP and City Interaction) portfolio is utter trash with rare exceptions
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:52    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7XrU77yhjw

You can almost taste the peasantry in that framerate



You can almost taste the non-existing anti-aliasing features in the pc version of the game.

Almost.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:57    Post subject:
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ramalan




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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 13:58    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
Holy shit, even the first few SECONDS show how terrible the framerate is on the XBONE Neutral

KillerCrocker wrote:
So pc on the left is 30 and xbone on the right is 15.... what kind of comparison is that


That's not how slowdown works, KC. PC is still 60fps, XBONE is still 25-30.

You are wrong.
Eurogamer is always doing their comparisons the same way. They slow down both footages so the 60fps pc footage becomes 30fps (so its slowed 2 times) and console framerate respectively. In that case 15fps. They do that just to showcase relative difference between 60 and 30fps but showing how much frames are missing in slowed down 30fps... its kinda weird to do but it gets the point through


slowed down 60 fps is not equal to 30 fps in normal gameplay. Game speed is the same on both platforms lol, 60 fps means fluid motions, sub 30 means frame skipping - frame of animation doesnt connect with another one - instead theres some skipping which results in jagged motion, less frames = more skipping = more clunky animation, poor as fuck framerate = slideshow.

Theres nothing 'weird' in their comparison, it clearly shows the difference because some idiots are still saying that human eye cant see anything above 30 (or 24 if they read somewhere that this is tv framerate Very Happy)
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 14:00    Post subject:
Exactly. Slowing a video playback speed by 50% isn't the same as cutting its framerate in half, you can still see the smoothness of the original input and the lack of dropped frames/choppiness, it's just running slower.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 14:14    Post subject:
Caved in and bought it yesterday. So that mean that a crack will get released today
LOL
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 14:15    Post subject:
Awesome, your sacrifice is appreciated!
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 14:17    Post subject:
deadpoetic wrote:
Caved in and bought it yesterday. So that mean that a crack will get released today
LOL


Hope youre right Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 14:24    Post subject:
crack next year maybe Laughing Aww Yeah
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:10    Post subject:
You know by the time some of you spend looking for a crack/download you could have easily earned money to buy the actual game.

Yes isodemos are great for testing out the actual game (usually no demo on pc) but seriously.... if you can't afford a PC game and you're an adult something is wrong...

Yes I also download sometimes (demo purposes)
Yes I buy cheap russian versions sometimes

But quality games deserves quality money.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:12    Post subject:
Back to trolling bullshit again, are we? I'll make sure to download two copies.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:19    Post subject:
nforules wrote:
You know by the time some of you spend looking for a crack/download you could have easily earned money to buy the actual game.

Yes isodemos are great for testing out the actual game (usually no demo on pc) but seriously.... if you can't afford a PC game and you're an adult something is wrong...

Yes I also download sometimes (demo purposes)
Yes I buy cheap russian versions sometimes

But quality games deserves quality money.


You're forgetting where you're posting this... Laughing
If anyone here buys games, it's just a bonus. Razz


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:20    Post subject:
Quite funny to watch people when game releases with new copypotection Wink Especially the impatient ones Wink



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ramalan




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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:44    Post subject:
Why? its always the same - some will cave in and buy it, some will scream wtf is release, some will not give a fuck and play something else, someone will troll/whine about people not buying games Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 15:46    Post subject:
Prefetian wrote:
nforules wrote:
You know by the time some of you spend looking for a crack/download you could have easily earned money to buy the actual game.

Yes isodemos are great for testing out the actual game (usually no demo on pc) but seriously.... if you can't afford a PC game and you're an adult something is wrong...

Yes I also download sometimes (demo purposes)
Yes I buy cheap russian versions sometimes

But quality games deserves quality money.


You're forgetting where you're posting this... Laughing
If anyone here buys games, it's just a bonus. Razz


Very true, but to me this is more than a warez forum, yes we all started out with warezing Crying or Very sad

sabin1981 wrote:
Back to trolling bullshit again, are we? I'll make sure to download two copies.


ok
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 16:29    Post subject:
I used to download nearly everything but with the move to digital platforms like Steam and the locked/encrypted preload data or other DRM methods preventing early leaks the only major benefit left is that it's free, which is still hugely important especially if you are having economical troubles to begin with. Smile
(The actual hardware is also very expensive.)

The other thing is that so many games get rushed out and can require upwards of dozens of patches although with 3DM and Ali213 along with Cs.rin there's now some nice progress with providing updates to warez releases.
(And also the DLC content and other bonus stuff.)

Not really sure about piracy hurting sales or the business that much, most people who pirate likely would not have bought the game to begin with and some might even buy the game after trying out a "demo" version since actual game demos are getting a bit rare, at least on PC.

Will be interesting to see how gaming changes over the next couple of years, seems a lot of focus is on mobile and the "freemium" business as I think it's called, moving gaming online and requiring a internet connection for certain features is also starting to see some use. (The PS4 and XBO replacing the previous console generation is also good although do we get better games or just better looking games as a result?)
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 17:38    Post subject:
nforules wrote:
You know by the time some of you spend looking for a crack/download you could have easily earned money to buy the actual game.

Yes isodemos are great for testing out the actual game (usually no demo on pc) but seriously.... if you can't afford a PC game and you're an adult something is wrong...

Yes I also download sometimes (demo purposes)
Yes I buy cheap russian versions sometimes

But quality games deserves quality money.


So it's that easy to earn money where you live huh? You just go out of the house and pick it from the trees, rob a few people on the street etc I suppose? How do you suppose someone earns 40$ if he/she has no job? You can't just force yourself into someone's home and be like "Hey I'll fix your ceiling light for 3$"
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Nov 2014 17:43    Post subject:
H4wkeye wrote:
nforules wrote:
You know by the time some of you spend looking for a crack/download you could have easily earned money to buy the actual game.

Yes isodemos are great for testing out the actual game (usually no demo on pc) but seriously.... if you can't afford a PC game and you're an adult something is wrong...

Yes I also download sometimes (demo purposes)
Yes I buy cheap russian versions sometimes

But quality games deserves quality money.


So it's that easy to earn money where you live huh? You just go out of the house and pick it from the trees, rob a few people on the street etc I suppose? How do you suppose someone earns 40$ if he/she has no job? You can't just force yourself into someone's home and be like "Hey I'll fix your ceiling light for 3$"


Just fake illnesses and let the government pay for it , work is for suckers lmfao. Also deal some drugs for that more then you can spend money


thenormal02 wrote:

what do you mean? the console version also works on pc ?
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