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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 19:55    Post subject: Tired of playing games in 1024red and low details
So i'm thinking of getting me a new desktop rig. But I never really bought a computers in parts. I know how to assemble the whole shit, but it's the "what to buy" that pisses me off. So much choices. Anyway, I found some components that may be interesting, i'd like to know what you think of it and if you have some suggestion for better stuff.

Graphic card MSI GTX770 4GB
Mother board ASUS Z87-A
RAM G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
Processor Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz
Power Supply Thermaltake TR2 TR-700 700W
HDD1 Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB
HDD2 SanDisk SDSSDP-256G-G25 2.5" 256GB
Power Supply CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W

Total : 1440$ CAN

I'm a fucking noob in this
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Werelds
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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 20:14    Post subject:
2 power supplies? Razz

Of the two though, the Corsair is the better one. That said, 850W is too much. 600-650W is what you want at most.

Other than that, nothing wrong with that selection.
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Ankh




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 20:22    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
2 power supplies? Razz

Of the two though, the Corsair is the better one. That said, 850W is too much. 600-650W is what you want at most.

Other than that, nothing wrong with that selection.


Ive got 1200w....but thats cos I used to run 3 cards...and now im to lazy to get a smaller one Sad


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 20:23    Post subject:
Oops yeah twice the power hahahah! Mistake hehehe


Thanks for the input!
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 20:25    Post subject:
Is it worth adding a liquid cooling system?
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Ankh




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 20:26    Post subject:
deadpoetic wrote:
Is it worth adding a liquid cooling system?


Depends on what kind you wish to get and how much money you wish to spend Smile


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 21:04    Post subject:
Should I wait to get the new 4960 CPU?
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 21:08    Post subject:
the 4670 is more then enough and will be for some time to come.
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cirithungol




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th May 2014 22:19    Post subject:
I don't think you'll see much benefit from a 4GB 770 over the 2GB version.


chiv wrote:
don't quote me on that
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fable2




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 03:36    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
the 4670 is more then enough and will be for some time to come.


cirithungol wrote:
I don't think you'll see much benefit from a 4GB 770 over the 2GB version.


Watch dogs can actually utilize 8 cores, in fact the AMD FX8350 defeated the I5 3570K for ex in the benchmarks, so an 8 core processor should be beneficial even if it's on the expense of the GFX card for example which can be easily upgraded later (not that you cant upgrade the cpu easily anyways Razz )

also 4gigs of vram is also not completely useless, games like titan fall and watch dogs uses more than 2 gigs of vram already (even if it's badly optimized).
i bet that next year games will start using more than 2gigs of vram legitimately

i would say upgrade your CPU to the 4770k and lower the gpu to the gtx760 4gb to balance it out price wise or look for an AMD equivalent.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 13:14    Post subject:
Thanks for the input everyone!!

Would keeping the GTX 770 4Gb be more future proof than the 2GB version or a GTX 760 4bg?

I kinda want my computer to last more than 2 years Very Happy
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 14:01    Post subject:
fable2 wrote:
Sin317 wrote:
the 4670 is more then enough and will be for some time to come.


cirithungol wrote:
I don't think you'll see much benefit from a 4GB 770 over the 2GB version.


Watch dogs can actually utilize 8 cores, in fact the AMD FX8350 defeated the I5 3570K for ex in the benchmarks, so an 8 core processor should be beneficial even if it's on the expense of the GFX card for example which can be easily upgraded later (not that you cant upgrade the cpu easily anyways Razz )

also 4gigs of vram is also not completely useless, games like titan fall and watch dogs uses more than 2 gigs of vram already (even if it's badly optimized).
i bet that next year games will start using more than 2gigs of vram legitimately

i would say upgrade your CPU to the 4770k and lower the gpu to the gtx760 4gb to balance it out price wise or look for an AMD equivalent.


In what benchmark FX-8350 defeated i5-3570K?



5Ghz FX is around stock 2500K performance Cool Face
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fable2




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 15:22    Post subject:
Your Benchmark is at 1920x1080 which isn't ideal since it puts load on the gpu and decreases the difference a cpu would make

in this one though the FX8350 is just behind the 3770k and surpasses it in min fps with oc, thats why i asked him to get the 4770k






http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Watch-Dogs-PC-249220/Specials/Watch-Dogs-Test-GPU-CPU-Benchmarks-1122327/

although in the same page you will find that all the 2gb versions of gfx cards are struggling with max settings due to textures taking a lot of vram.
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Frant
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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 15:24    Post subject:
IMG link fail!!!

Besides, an 8-core FX 8350 overclocked to 4.8GHz can STILL not overtake a 3770K at STOCK. The 3570K/3770K can both reach 4.6GHz without any advanced overclocking skills. At those speeds any AMD FX in comparison would end up with their belly up in the pond.


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 15:40    Post subject:
Engine clearly uses 8-cores (thanks to last-gen AMD consoles), but on intel it really doesnt make any difference (i5 vs i7), on the AMD it does since the single core performance is so shit.

http://www.techspot.com/review/827-watch-dogs-benchmarks/page5.html

Whatever you choose, i5 or i7 you will be fine for the time until Intel releases real 8-core CPUs for the masses. 2GB VRAM is too low these days tho, and card like 770 is not going to benefit from 4GB.
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fable2




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 15:41    Post subject:
Images work fine for me, you can just click at the link anyways

the whole point is that the guy wanted to buy an I5 4670k which is 4 cores, i asked him to get an I7 4770k not the FX8350, i only mentioned it cuz it's one of the weaker 8 core cpus but it was still competitive to a fuckin i7 in watch dogs which is pretty much the first game as far as i know that can benefit from the 8 cores, all the previous comparisons dont make sense imo.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 15:42    Post subject:
So, better go for a 3970 than a 4770 ?

The "K" next to the number means it's unlocked and thus can be overclocked?
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fable2




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PostPosted: Thu, 29th May 2014 15:47    Post subject:
@Breezer_

your benchmark is ambiguous at best, it doesn't mention what resolution it's at, i assume it's at 1080p
also ask around the hump and everyone with similar hardware will tell that these numbers aren't at all true.
and where the fuck is the minimum fps for them, also this game largely known as an "nvidia" game, so using an R9 290x wont give optimal results, which you can see reflected in the top tier cpus and how there's no difference in fps what so ever.

@deadpoetic

i dont know, the 3970 is older ( not that it's bad ), but newer is better imo, also i'm not sure about the power consumption and heat production, i would only assume that it's worse than the 4770k in both of them

the K means that the multiplier is unlocked.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 15:01    Post subject:
So I'm about to press the buy that shit button

Final build

Though?



Not pictured : Motherboard

ASUS Z97-A LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


I'm not quit sure about the usb nano wireless thingy, should I go with a pci express card instead? Are all these wireless usb/card thingy compatible with all routers?
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 15:16    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
fable2 wrote:
Sin317 wrote:
the 4670 is more then enough and will be for some time to come.


cirithungol wrote:
I don't think you'll see much benefit from a 4GB 770 over the 2GB version.


Watch dogs can actually utilize 8 cores, in fact the AMD FX8350 defeated the I5 3570K for ex in the benchmarks, so an 8 core processor should be beneficial even if it's on the expense of the GFX card for example which can be easily upgraded later (not that you cant upgrade the cpu easily anyways Razz )

also 4gigs of vram is also not completely useless, games like titan fall and watch dogs uses more than 2 gigs of vram already (even if it's badly optimized).
i bet that next year games will start using more than 2gigs of vram legitimately

i would say upgrade your CPU to the 4770k and lower the gpu to the gtx760 4gb to balance it out price wise or look for an AMD equivalent.


In what benchmark FX-8350 defeated i5-3570K?



5Ghz FX is around stock 2500K performance Cool Face

So I am still safe with my 2500k at 4.5 ? and 7870 ? Laughing
I hve this pc for 1.5 year.. it should be old garbage now (it it was year 2000 Cool Face )


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 15:34    Post subject:
You're absolutely safe. I think Intel kind of kicked themselves in the ass with the i5-2500k, seeing as how there's absolutely no reason to update it Very Happy At stock levels, the i5-4670k offers 3-6fps difference in CPU exhaustive games like W_D.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 15:54    Post subject:
Boom! Bought it Very Happy

CANT WAIT TO JOIN THE GLORIOUS MASTER RACE!!!
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 16:04    Post subject:


3080 | ps5 pro

Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 16:21    Post subject:
deadpoetic wrote:
Boom! Bought it Very Happy

CANT WAIT TO JOIN THE GLORIOUS MASTER RACE!!!


Welcome! \o/
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deadpoetic




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fable2




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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 18:11    Post subject:
Good job on upgrading to that I7, should last you at least 2-3 years if not more.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2014 13:47    Post subject:
Damn i'm a fucking idiot

I forgot to keep some cash for the monitor!!

So now I have an old acer 19" 4:3 monitor (flat screen, not these old cathodic thing)
Max resolution : 1280 x 1024 ! Very Happy

Could this cause any kind of problemes with my rig?

I'll get a new monitor in 3-4 weeks
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fable2




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2014 14:53    Post subject:
you will have to use the DVI-VGA converter thingy that comes with the card.

obviously if you have a nice TV with an HDMI or DVI port, you can use that too.
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deadpoetic




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2014 16:01    Post subject:
Thanks for the info!

I was fearing that the computer may be too fast for the monitor to handle

lel lel lel!!
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Frant
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2014 17:00    Post subject:
deadpoetic wrote:
Thanks for the info!

I was fearing that the computer may be too fast for the monitor to handle

lel lel lel!!


Lol.

As long as the monitor can handle 60hz refresh (and that's the minimum for ALL monitors made the last 10 years except for a few that can go as low as 56hz).

I actually have a 4:3 monitor that does 50Hz (using it with my Commodore Amiga 1200 via new hardware called Indivision AGA MK2cr that gives me a DVI-out and access to higher resolutions than a 1200 could normally reach, flickerfixer, scandoubler etc. all-in-one. It contains a software flashable on-board storage chip to flash some of the ~40'ish modules. http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/Indivision_AGA_MK2 ).


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