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Maybe those rumors about Doom 4's problems were true and something else happened recently to send him over the edge. Made him think there was no point to continue staying with the company.
Kind of sad to hear the news. Just like when 3D Realms closed down. Both companies had lost their way, but their games were part of my childhood.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 01:12 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: |
get out |
| chiv wrote: |
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you.... the call of duty generation. |
Muh ziggas.
This is the reaction I want to see in next few years here as well.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 01:25 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | That era ended quite a while ago.
At least at Oculus he'll be motivated again, because I'm pretty sure that's the reason things haven't exactly been as they used to be. |
Yeah, i'm pretty sure it ended on Quake 3.
I could say Doom 3 too... If it didn't release soon after Half-Life 2 and Far Cry.
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LMLM
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 01:34 Post subject: |
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I wish him well. id was unmatched in PC gaming from '92 to '96!
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 01:42 Post subject: |
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| LMLM wrote: | | I wish him well. id was unmatched in PC gaming from '92 to '96! |
Actually, I think LucasArts was significantly ahead of id Software during that time period. Some amazing adventure games + things like X-Wing/Tie Fighter.
Still, id used to be great.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 01:49 Post subject: |
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Maybe but those aren't FPS games from LucasArts.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 02:08 Post subject: |
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I don't think any of the LA games during that period, as good as they were, did as much for pc gaming... Hell, gaming PERIOD, as id did with quake, the most important pc game ever.
And yes, you can quote me on that 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 02:43 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | 2004. Doom 3 wasn't bellow average. (inb4 someone reads this as "Doom 3 was the bestest game of all time!!" when I clearly said no such thing   ) |
Other than engine, Carmack's contribution is minimal. I deliberately didn't mention the game itself (I liked it), but the E3 2002 demo (corrected correctly by derpje) because that was really breathtaking at the time. In 2004 it was less impressive and wasn't as detailed as the E3 files (technical things such as self-shadowing, audio techniques, etc.). |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 08:40 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | | tried free rage on steam today, holy fuck what a turd ... id is dead loong time ago and the fact they even dared to bring out a refurbished doom3 was the joke of the century, fuck that company |
You are insane fucker! RAGE was awesome. Its a classic first person shooter without useless (and broken) gameplay mechanics. The bad thing about RAGE is its ending, besides that the game is good.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 09:50 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | | 2004. Doom 3 wasn't bellow average. (inb4 someone reads this as "Doom 3 was the bestest game of all time!!" when I clearly said no such thing ) |
Other than engine, Carmack's contribution is minimal. I deliberately didn't mention the game itself (I liked it), but the E3 2002 demo (corrected correctly by derpje) because that was really breathtaking at the time. In 2004 it was less impressive and wasn't as detailed as the E3 files (technical things such as self-shadowing, audio techniques, etc.). |
Pixies's question was about id, not Carmack, though.
But even if we judge only Carmack's quality of work in Doom 3 by the time of its release it still wasn't bellow average. Far from it.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 10:30 Post subject: |
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Carmack won't stop his Quakecon keynotes, even if Bethesda decides they don't want him anymore.
If I were running Bethesda I would integrate Rift support in the games and would invite Carmack to talk about it. Why not? Free publicity for the games!
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 12:16 Post subject: |
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yep. I loved rage... SHOTGUN
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 12:32 Post subject: |
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rage felt lacking because id basically made toy box. they let everyone who had an idea, even the fucking janitor and the guy that brings the lunch bagels, get their ideas in the game. thats why it was such a mess, because there was so much fluff and uncohesive and unfocused content, drowning out the fantastic game at its core.
if only a grown-up had been there to supervise the children, the game could have been id's mega hit comeback...
such a shame... id is like a tired old dog. hes got a lot of heart, and in his prime he was magnificent - hes still faithful and theres still goodness inside, but now he just shits all over the rug, and it takes him forever to move even an inch... 
...sorry... im just afraid its time
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 22:37 Post subject: |
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not just that, think about what it did for modding and gaming communities!! internet gaming!!
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 23:01 Post subject: |
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With all the id games released after Quake 3 I have a strange love-hate relationship. They were a big disappointment for me, mainly because of the several unfulfilled promises both gameplay and graphics-wise, yet I still quite liked them since the shooting part was..well, id-ish.
Doom 3 was supposed to be ground-breaking, a neverseenbefore milestone, and turned out to be "only" a decent standard boo-based fps with some visual candiness here and there. Entertaining, but absolutely nothing that made me go in awe (plus what Leo mentioned made me even more disappointed).
Same for Rage, it was supposed to be the ultimate post-apocalyptic game, with finally an epic story and sense of freedom with them megamegaman textures, and all I got was another classic shooter with a not-so-pleasant consolish aftertaste, and yet some outdated tech involved. The shooting part/animations and level design (despite the severe lack of interactivity) were the only two aspects that kept the game afloat for me. Enough to enjoy it? yes..and no at the same time. Paradoxically I enjoyed Quake 4 (Single player, since the multiplayer was..brrr) much more than id's shooters. But that was because of good ol' Raven Software.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Nov 2013 23:12 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | that engine was very good. doom3 engine that is. |
Not really. Or have you forgotten the "revolutionary" 4-player multiplayer? How badly it handled open spaces? How the bodies had to disappear immediately? And how you now faced up to 5 enemies at a time compared to Doom 2's dozens?
It looked great for the time of the first E3 demo. But that's about it. Escape from Butcher Bay came out the same year as D3, and it played a heck of a lot better while also employing pixel shaders.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2013 05:52 Post subject: |
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idd virtz but rage was satisfying but it had it's issues
and ye what id did with quake they started so much with that stuff you rarely see these days anymore (hi dedicated servers you don't need to hire or are not there etc)
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2013 14:55 Post subject: |
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And what would that be?
It's no secret on the hump how much I loathe Tech 4 and 4.1 (also called "5" ) for many, many reasons; although the main one is because it simply didn't feel as good as Tech 3 by miles in Q4 MP. That said, at the time the lighting for example was much superior in T4 compared to Source.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2013 15:18 Post subject: |
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Yes, but that doesn't make the technology itself any less impressive. The plastic look is one of the other reasons I couldn't stand Doom 3 and Quake 4, but the dynamic lighting was still mighty impressive for the time 
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2013 16:00 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2013 18:03 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | that engine was very good. doom3 engine that is. |
shit engine and game. Same with Rage. |
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-05-why-john-carmack-quit-id-software
| Quote: | John Carmack quit id Software because parent company ZeniMax Media wouldn't agree to let games he was working on appear on the Oculus Rift virtual reality headset.
In an interview with USA Today, developer legend Carmack revealed he would have stayed at id if he had been allowed to make the likes of Wolfenstein: The New Order and Doom 4 work on the Oculus Rift. |
GG Derpmax 
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