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TSR69
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 Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 00:47 Post subject: If people disagree with you, is that offensive? |
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I think I was 16 years old, had a disagreement with my father and it turned out later I was right. I asked him why he didn't want to listen to what I had to say. He said: "You can really be stubborn in your views." Well that is not a nice thing to hear, but nonetheless it was useful feedback. I thought about it for a while and decided I should always give someone else the benefit of the doubt and give myself the disadvantage of the doubt.
Here on the humps sometimes it seems there are people who think they are entitled to claim their opinions as truth. You disagree with them and they become infuriated. How dare you to disagree.
So that is the question and given that someone disagrees with you in a non offensive way.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 00:58 Post subject: |
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i think i only get infuriated when people state opinions that are most obviously wrong to anybody with a minimum degree of education. Especially when a google or wikipedia search can reveal "the truth" in milliseconds nowadays.
other than that i think i follow the standard rule of getting offended when morality is concerned (and that being different to everybody, everybody has different hot topics or lines not to be crossed).
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 01:22 Post subject: |
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Disagreeing personal opinions and beliefs is a thing, it's not at all infuriating or offensive, it's all about education and what you learn by your own, while stating wrong facts (as in something that only has one answer/option) on the other hand is sometimes pretty annoying. I might find something like that offensive, depends on the mood tho'. I usually try not to rage in such conditions and stay calm, while explaining why such a thing has a certain answer/solution/option etc, and why is it the only viable one.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 02:29 Post subject: |
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Absolutely not, I'm not easily offended except of course when people with zero knowledge or explicitly wrong opinions act like diehard mad preachers. Fortunately I'm also quite good at dodging these kind of individuals 
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 02:52 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | i think i only get infuriated when people state opinions that are most obviously wrong to anybody with a minimum degree of education. Especially when a google or wikipedia search can reveal "the truth" in milliseconds nowadays.
other than that i think i follow the standard rule of getting offended when morality is concerned (and that being different to everybody, everybody has different hot topics or lines not to be crossed). |
It is not a matter of people agreeing with me or not that makes an argument offensive, it is their clinging to subjective opinions as truth and treat those as fact, when they are most clearly not.
And this lands exactly on the argument of morality Lutzifer brought forth, people treat morality as some sort of absolute, they forget that their subjective interpretation of right and wrong/good and evil, is entirely based on their personal experiences, desires, fears and emotions.
In truth, I regard those who treat morality as an absolute as being themselves offensive, for they attempt to shape and condemn the outer world with regards to their subjective views on certain issues and topics, and this, in essence, is probably the most elemental cause of interpersonal conflict and war.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 04:49 Post subject: |
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Of course it is, the moment someone disagrees with you their view on the world is in conflict with yours. It is however how we deal with this conflict that shows who we are as human beings.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 10:58 Post subject: |
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I only get offended when ppl disagree with me on something that I know it's a fact, and I know I am right about, but they won't even listen to what I have to say. Or when they have retarded arguments like: homosexuals are sick and they should be isolated on an island somewhere... In my mind I am killing that person xD
But when someone disagrees on something that you can disagree on, that's fine with me. For instance I can't stand raisins in chocolate, but others find that tasty. Ok. I don't and that's that.
With religion I get kinda subtly evil I guess 
When someone has some stupid arguments for their believes, I try to ask them questions and throw suggestions that could make them doubt or question their believes 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 14:45 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Of course it is, the moment someone disagrees with you their view on the world is in conflict with yours. It is however how we deal with this conflict that shows who we are as human beings. |
And why should anyone care or bestow any credence to the emotional feedback between a person and their views?
If an argument, perspective or view can be dismissed as logically invalid, why should you allow the delusions or inconsistencies of others to persist? For the sake of their sensibilities and social norms?..
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garus
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 15:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 15:21 Post subject: |
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That's megalomania, I'm afraid.
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| garus wrote: | | Nhiumewyn wrote: | | fisk wrote: | | Of course it is, the moment someone disagrees with you their view on the world is in conflict with yours. It is however how we deal with this conflict that shows who we are as human beings. |
And why should anyone care or bestow any credence to the emotional feedback between a person and their views?
If an argument, perspective or view can be dismissed as logically invalid, why should you allow the delusions or inconsistencies of others to persist? For the sake of their sensibilities and social norms?.. |
You just described everything that is wrong with you. Starting with the fact that YOU think everybody else's opinion is invalid. |
No, everyone's opinions are invalid, including my own, that's why they are opinions.
And you're just distorting my argument, what I asked is why should you respect opinions, when there is data available that can dismiss them almost instantaneously..
If a premise or claim cannot resist the test of critical analysis, why should you respect it? (that's the only question I asked in the previous post)
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 15:27 Post subject: |
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Well, Ronhrin, you are too distorting people's arguments, so you can't blame him for something that you're doing too. With every single post related to such discussions, a la Ronhrin. I think this thread is about something else, not a SET SAIL FOR YET ANOTHER RONHRIN THREAD. Le's keep this clean, shall we? Finding someone's opinion offensive in a thread about.. oh well, I saw this coming.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 15:32 Post subject: |
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| huxanomaly2 wrote: | | Well, Ronhrin, you are too distorting people's arguments, so you can't blame him for something that you're doing too. With every single post related to such discussions, a la Ronhrin. I think this thread is about something else, not a SET SAIL FOR YET ANOTHER RONHRIN THREAD. Le's keep this clean, shall we? Finding someone's opinion offensive in a thread about.. oh well, I saw this coming. |
How am I distorting this argument?
We are discussing the offensiveness of conflicting opinions.
I offered nothing else than insight on that specific issue.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 15:40 Post subject: |
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An opinion on a certain matter can't be invalid. It's a PERSONAL thought and insight on the matter. IT'S A PERSONAL THING. If I have an opinion, you can't change it, because of the way I'm thinking, because of the way I was educated and raised, because I have certain principles. Yes, we may share principles and opinions, and that makes it okay, right? But when we ain't sharing them? Why isn't that okay? That's a question that needs no answer, and I don't want to debate it.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 15:51 Post subject: |
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| huxanomaly2 wrote: | | An opinion on a certain matter can't be invalid. It's a PERSONAL thought and insight on the matter. IT'S A PERSONAL THING. If I have an opinion, you can't change it, because of the way I'm thinking, because of the way I was educated and raised, because I have certain principles. Yes, we may share principles and opinions, and that makes it okay, right? But when we ain't sharing them? Why isn't that okay? That's a question that needs no answer, and I don't want to debate it. |
There are subjective based opinions (taste, moral values, personal principles, etc) and there are objective based opinions (based on objective reality), when discussing issues and topics that are outside the domain of personal subjectivity, opinion is meaningless.
Also, people have this tendency to adhere to this notion that their subjective ideals have any value outside of their own mind. Or in other words, you may have a strong opinion about a certain issue, but when you have an expectation that other people act in accordance with your given opinion, you are by default wrong, quite simply because you are transporting a subjective ideal into objective reality.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 16:01 Post subject: |
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| huxanomaly2 wrote: | | An opinion on a certain matter can't be invalid. It's a PERSONAL thought and insight on the matter. IT'S A PERSONAL THING. If I have an opinion, you can't change it, because of the way I'm thinking, because of the way I was educated and raised, because I have certain principles. Yes, we may share principles and opinions, and that makes it okay, right? But when we ain't sharing them? Why isn't that okay? That's a question that needs no answer, and I don't want to debate it. |
No no, I think you are missing a point.
For me there are different levels of 'opinions' if you will.
Opinions like: 'I like blood sausage', and 'I can't stand the taste of blood sausage' (try to guess which is my opinion xD)
And then there are opinions like: 'I think that gravity doesn't work and it's ridiculous', or 'I think that the Earth is flat'. These are opinions, which are based on wrong premise, or just plain old ignorance. And can be tested easily (jump from a 100 story building and let us see if you'll float upwards, or fall down, due to gravity, and splat like a bug on a windshield ).
I think that that was the case Ron was making.
EDIT: I didn't see he made the above post xD I think I understood what he was trying to say
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 16:56 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | | huxanomaly2 wrote: | | An opinion on a certain matter can't be invalid. It's a PERSONAL thought and insight on the matter. IT'S A PERSONAL THING. If I have an opinion, you can't change it, because of the way I'm thinking, because of the way I was educated and raised, because I have certain principles. Yes, we may share principles and opinions, and that makes it okay, right? But when we ain't sharing them? Why isn't that okay? That's a question that needs no answer, and I don't want to debate it. |
No no, I think you are missing a point.
For me there are different levels of 'opinions' if you will.
Opinions like: 'I like blood sausage', and 'I can't stand the taste of blood sausage' (try to guess which is my opinion xD)
And then there are opinions like: 'I think that gravity doesn't work and it's ridiculous', or 'I think that the Earth is flat'. These are opinions, which are based on wrong premise, or just plain old ignorance. And can be tested easily (jump from a 100 story building and let us see if you'll float upwards, or fall down, due to gravity, and splat like a bug on a windshield ).
I think that that was the case Ron was making.
EDIT: I didn't see he made the above post xD I think I understood what he was trying to say |
It's kinda easier for me - I don't normally call something that can be factually proven or disproved an opinion 
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 17:04 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | dingo_d wrote: | | huxanomaly2 wrote: | | An opinion on a certain matter can't be invalid. It's a PERSONAL thought and insight on the matter. IT'S A PERSONAL THING. If I have an opinion, you can't change it, because of the way I'm thinking, because of the way I was educated and raised, because I have certain principles. Yes, we may share principles and opinions, and that makes it okay, right? But when we ain't sharing them? Why isn't that okay? That's a question that needs no answer, and I don't want to debate it. |
No no, I think you are missing a point.
For me there are different levels of 'opinions' if you will.
Opinions like: 'I like blood sausage', and 'I can't stand the taste of blood sausage' (try to guess which is my opinion xD)
And then there are opinions like: 'I think that gravity doesn't work and it's ridiculous', or 'I think that the Earth is flat'. These are opinions, which are based on wrong premise, or just plain old ignorance. And can be tested easily (jump from a 100 story building and let us see if you'll float upwards, or fall down, due to gravity, and splat like a bug on a windshield ).
I think that that was the case Ron was making.
EDIT: I didn't see he made the above post xD I think I understood what he was trying to say |
It's kinda easier for me - I don't normally call something that can be factually proven or disproved an opinion |
By definition, that's exactly what an opinion is.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 17:24 Post subject: |
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A lot of Ronhrin posts in this thread, is he doing his usual schtick that he was supposed to pull off in his own thread only?
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 17:30 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | A lot of Ronhrin posts in this thread, is he doing his usual schtick that he was supposed to pull off in his own thread only? |
I'm quite simply replying to this thread, stop attempting to read in and induce any other line of reasoning.
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garus
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TSR69
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 21:33 Post subject: |
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na i just kick their teeth in
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