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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 01:42    Post subject:
They should indeed drop the disc but instead use sd cards. there was actually an report that they are going to do that for next xbox ,here it is http://www.denofgeek.com/games/1276405/xbox_720_no_disc_drive.html
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 01:49    Post subject:
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bringiton




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 07:51    Post subject:
Plus SD cards are way too expensive compared to discs. A disc costs around $0.70 (with booklet and everything) to make. Now take an 8GB SD card. Retail they cost around $6 (the slow ones, which would probably not be fast enough), so let's just say that in mass production and for MS they cost $2.
Why would any of the parties want to take the cut in profit? Just over $1 doesn't sound much, but then tell that to Activision and several dozen of million units of CoD sold, then it makes a difference.
Prices could go up on the other hand, but then again why would people want that then exactly?


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 08:59    Post subject:
sd cards? 4gb is way not enough. 32+ gb sd cards are way way more expensive than bluray discs.

And there will have to be a physical media format. blurays, dvds, sd or whatever, becouse still, not everyone have internet and anyway... who would like to download 30+gb per game all the time?
I am ofc assuing that games will weight way more than they do now.. otherwise whats the point?


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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 18:16    Post subject:
its not their problem they are just going to increase the price and let user pay for the new medium.. they probably want to try different tactic as dvd or blu ray will be hacked fast.
and they don't want to pay to Sony for a blu ray licence.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 18:21    Post subject:
I wonder if they are able to stop piracy this time... I really doubt it Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 18:43    Post subject:
RGH is the next-gen! Troll Dad


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highstuff




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 18:48    Post subject:
cobALT wrote:
RGH is the next-gen! Troll Dad


I think so to.. this is tecnique is the only way to really hack consoles.. its possible that this tactic will work for next gen xbox to they might have not enough time to make next xbox RGH proof.. they had more then 6 months to patch it with software and they failed so far. but there are mixed reports from TX people some say it can be software patched some say it can not be so its hard who to believe.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Mar 2012 23:23    Post subject:
I could see them turning back to the HD-DVD. They put money and software tools into it back in the day. It has better seek times than BR. They could just say it's a proprietary format, and not have to pay Sony to use it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2012 23:42    Post subject:
Stripped-down Xbox due in late 2013 - Report

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Noted Microsoft blogger says new ARM-powered console will ship late next year and focus on "Arcade-style games" and Kinect applications; "true successor" coming sometime after.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/stripped-down-xbox-due-in-late-2013-report-6368209

LOL
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2012 23:49    Post subject:
So we will get advanced kinect mahcine. Good. I wasnt plannin ong changing my grapdpa harwdare anyway. New xbox will prolly have some good drm, so I am in no hurry to buy new console and games:P


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PostPosted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 21:55    Post subject:
yeah right. Orbis? Everyone knows its going to be ps4


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bringiton




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PostPosted: Wed, 28th Mar 2012 23:23    Post subject:
With that ongoing trend from Apple, Sony might just call it "The new Playstation". Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 29th Mar 2012 22:24    Post subject:
orbis more like shit we are stupid .... no backward compatibility with ps3/ps2/ps1 LULZ !!!! ONLINE DRM TO PLAY OFFLINE GAMES LULZ !!!!! no more used copies LULZ!!!!! fuck this


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 13:54    Post subject:
http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/

More rumors.
blu-ray
required constant interwebs connection
4-6cpu cores (one reserved for derpnect)
2 separate amd 7xxx based gpu's. Not crossfire - separate and capable of amazing different renders Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 14:00    Post subject:
they are going with series 7 now..2 of them.. LOL
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 14:02    Post subject:
This always on net worries a old pirate Sad
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 14:19    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
This always on net worries a old pirate Sad

Bluray worries an old pirate. fuck me if we will all have tog et bluray burners and discs Laughing

Still. I think that no new console is worth getting within its first 2 years. Its mostly overpriced piece of hardware with almost no games... I think that with consoles like 360 or ps3, its perfect to only get them like 2 or 3 years within their life cycle. There will be better revisions of those consoles then and more games.

I bought 360 around 3 years ago and I am very happy I did so, because I got Jasper revision which is better and and Ive quickly got and finished all games I missed on.. only a few in fact.

So if christmass 2013 is true then i will proboably get it in 2016 Laughing
Or it will be so stunning that I will totally have to get it on its release Cool Face


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2012 14:24    Post subject:
I certainly hope either this console will be hacked or someone storms xbox development hq and beating every single person to a pulp or perhaps both. I dislike the gaming industry more and more for each passing year.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Apr 2012 08:54    Post subject:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/new-consoles-mega64/728877


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skytzu




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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Apr 2012 10:03    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
sd cards? 4gb is way not enough. 32+ gb sd cards are way way more expensive than bluray discs.


4g is more than enough! You get 30% of the game then buy the rest in dlcs Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Apr 2012 03:35    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
no backward compatibility with ps3/ps2/ps1 LULZ !!!! ONLINE DRM TO PLAY OFFLINE GAMES LULZ !!!!! no more used copies LULZ!!!!! fuck this


Well... of course not.

Not if the rumours are true that they're ditching the cell processor. That'll end backward compatibility as the architecture will be completely different. The only way to make games backward compatible to attempt emulating the OS (not gonna happen) or port key games to the new system.

And always on DRM will not happen. Yeah, they're probably talk about it but you can guarantee it won't happen.

You have to remember that a lot of these rumors will come from the consultation stage with dev houses and loads of ideas will be thrown around. Not all of them, maybe most, will be dropped.

It's worth reading the article on Gamesindustry.biz
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Apr 2012 14:43    Post subject:
well i think they will add a pass ... a CD key or a Kinect key like they did in Starwars Kinect Adventures to lock content only if you had pirated it

as for PS4 or Orbis well they already showed it on PS3 ... ONLINE PASS ... the thing that console users hate but PC gamers had to endure for like dunno 20 years know as CD KEYS lulz


funny to see Console games with keys now heheh
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grimmmy




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Apr 2012 03:42    Post subject:
They should bring back Lenslok Smile
I remember it being a arse when I was a kid and normally took about 5 attempts to get it right.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Apr 2012 12:01    Post subject:
c4 on X720: Challenge Accepted
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Apr 2012 19:12    Post subject:
http://www.actiontrip.com/news/xbox-720-might-get-16core-cpu/041012_4

Some more rumors, this time about the CPU.
(Nice compensation for that mid-range GPU should this be true, of course there's no way to verify either of those claims until the machine is actually announced, same for the PS3 successor I guess.)
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grimmmy




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Apr 2012 21:37    Post subject:
I think Sony is the one to watch here. Bearing in mind, the PS3 only started breaking even 4 years after launch (last september to be more precise), the fact that their forecast is a loss of 6.4Bn dollars and they're axing 10K jobs. Oh, and they're not leading the console race in terms of either attachment rate or hardware sales.

Perhaps they won't be as 'cutting edge' as last time and maybe it explains why they're outsourcing their chip?
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