Media player classic - smooth playback?
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farne




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 18:46    Post subject: Media player classic - smooth playback?
Been wondering if there's any way to get a smooth playback on video files that I run with MPC-HC. Read about people playing with 60 frames per second on certain movies and I'm struggling to figure out how to do just that.

Any insight on the matter is most welcome! Smile
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 19:31    Post subject:
What do you mean? What files are you trying to play?
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farne




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 19:46    Post subject:
My video files play at ~24 FPS, I would like to know if it is possible to get it as high to the point where the movie playback is as smooth as it can be.

Talking about BDRIPs and such, but shouldn't this be possible for any kind of format? I've seen dvd's on TVs with smooth playback.
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Xenthalon




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 20:25    Post subject:
Maybe one of the movie gurus can chime in, but as far as I know most movies are only recorded with 24p, which means about 24 frames per second. So when you only get 24fps, mpc-hd does exactly what the source material gives it, it renders each frame perfectly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p#24p_in_high_definition_disc_formats

I think there are some filters in some TV sets which can calculate the frames in between to make the movie look smoother, maybe there are software filters for that too.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 20:37    Post subject:
lol @ this thread.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 20:45    Post subject:
Delete C:\WINDOWS\system32 to run at 60fps


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don't quote me on that
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 21:16    Post subject:
cirithungol wrote:
Delete C:\WINDOWS\system32 to run at 60fps


ugh fucking windows. I had to boot into safe mode to get this to work. Computer won't start up now, was I supposed to do something before deleting that?


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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 22:20    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
cirithungol wrote:
Delete C:\WINDOWS\system32 to run at 60fps


ugh fucking windows. I had to boot into safe mode to get this to work. Computer won't start up now, was I supposed to do something before deleting that?


Yes, I forgot to say press Ctrl + W before you do it. My mistake, sorry.


chiv wrote:
don't quote me on that
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 22:41    Post subject:
wizarD. wrote:
My video files play at ~24 FPS, I would like to know if it is possible to get it as high to the point where the movie playback is as smooth as it can be.

Talking about BDRIPs and such, but shouldn't this be possible for any kind of format? I've seen dvd's on TVs with smooth playback.

Movies are recoreded in 24 fps, you can't increase that. You can set your screen to 60Hz, but that won't make the movie play any smoother. There are artifical techniques which TVs use, but such methods are fake and distort the movie in a way. A movie is meant to be played at 24fps. That's smooth playback. That's as simple as I can put it.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 22:47    Post subject:
Ok guys. What WizarD wants is a technique that creates the frames in between and makes the image so much smoother. On porn this looks especially ultra amazing Very Happy

My Monitor/TV has this function already included (on LG products it's called trumotion), so I don't need to fiddle around with a software solution, that'll probably create quite some load on the CPU.

Sorry that I can't help you, but I just wanted to clarify, that you can actually see your 24p content with real 60 frames, ofc those missing frames are calculated from the existing frames Smile

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There are artifical techniques which TVs use, but such methods are fake and distort the movie in a way.


Don't know what to say, but Trumotion is reall great! The only thing that I don't like that it has sometimes tiny micro stuttering but 99% of the time it's just great Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 22:50    Post subject:
Aye, it's TrueMotion on Sammy TVs too.. and I agree; it looks absolutely outstanding. Way to troll, guys Rolling Eyes

@wizarD

I don't know of any TrueMotion/Motion2 options for MPC-HC, I'm afraid. If you do find any, please let me know =) There is a standalone player that uses your GPU to power decoding, but egh.... I prefer MPC-HC

www.mirillis.com

The technique is called "motion interpolation" and the wiki article has more info, including PC players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation


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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 22:52    Post subject:
I have a LG LED TV, it gives movies the "made with a homecam in a cheap setting" vibe. Such techniques have been around for years afaik, I never liked it. It seems to work without any problems when watching HD, but when SD comes into play I also experience stuttering.
When a TV/monitor supports true 24p playback, techniques like Truemotion look ridiculous and fake when turned on.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jan 2012 22:57    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Aye, it's TrueMotion on Sammy TVs too.. and I agree; it looks absolutely outstanding. Way to troll, guys Rolling Eyes

@wizarD

I don't know of any TrueMotion/Motion2 options for MPC-HC, I'm afraid. If you do find any, please let me know =) There is a standalone player that uses your GPU to power decoding, but egh.... I prefer MPC-HC

www.mirillis.com

The technique is called "motion interpolation" and the wiki article has more info, including PC players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation


Thanks for the link, that piece of software is exactly what I meant, albeit I'd much prefer it in the form of a MPC addon or something, thanks yet again!
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:12    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
On porn this looks especially ultra amazing Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:15    Post subject:
Just been testing SVP... I'm impressed! Shocked Obviously it looks and "feels" a whole lot better on 720/1080 content, but DVDs and XviD rips also benefit too. Cloverfield looks fantastic with SVP ^_^
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:21    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Just been testing SVP... I'm impressed! Shocked Obviously it looks and "feels" a whole lot better on 720/1080 content, but DVDs and XviD rips also benefit too. Cloverfield looks fantastic with SVP ^_^
Erm... do you need to install ffdshow and hlaali media splitter?

Codec packs and the like always raise the hair on the back of my neck... Sad


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:23    Post subject:
Yeah, but *only* ffd and Haali, that's all. MKVs worked OOTB but getting AVI to work was a pain, then I had to change internal renderer because what worked with AVI wouldn't work with MKV and vice versa, but it's working now and definitely look very nice. I like it!
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:30    Post subject:
Oh right, cloverfield should look great with this! Will grab the best version out there, thx for the tip sabin <3 Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:32    Post subject:
I agree with the detractors, I've tried 24fps --> 60 software converters and they just make stuff look "weird"


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:32    Post subject:
Stuff like Cloverfield will benefit from SVP (or motion interpolation in general) the very most, giving it a more realistic "news report" feel Very Happy

@nouseforaname

The famed "soap opera" look? I agree, sometimes it looks out of place.. but other times it just feels great, gives films (and especially TV shows) a more realistic look about them.
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:35    Post subject:
Tron looked superb with it Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:43    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Just been testing SVP... I'm impressed! Shocked Obviously it looks and "feels" a whole lot better on 720/1080 content, but DVDs and XviD rips also benefit too. Cloverfield looks fantastic with SVP ^_^


It looks AMAZING with smoothing set to Advanced but sadly rips my CPU apart. Crying or Very sad

But thanks anyway, kind sir. Great find!

Awesome


EDIT: OK, maybe standard is better. Seems to be producing less artifacts.

This + latest The Witcher 2 trailer =


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:51    Post subject:
You're welcome! Though really you should thank wizarD, as I wouldn't have even thought of looking for this stuff until he mentioned it. As for performance; with smoothing set to advanced and GPU acceleration enabled, it still only takes around 33% CPU on mine - definitely something I can live with. I like how it can be enabled and disabled on the fly, so I can simply disable SVP when it looks poor.
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:54    Post subject:
Doesn't seem to work with MPC-HC... fraps doesn't load and the videos run at their native speed according to the info tab Rage


EDIT: And I've tried to use the "system default" setting that supposedly uses directshow on MPC-HC's playback-> output option. Sad


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 00:56    Post subject:
Try these toni;

http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/FAQ
http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Quick_start

Secondly, try an MKV first - I had instant results with MKV. If AVI (xvid or divx, etc) doesn't work; UNTICK the XviD/DivX (and any DXVA) transform filters in the internal filter selection. Also change the renderer as well .. mine finally works using EVR PRES.
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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 01:02    Post subject:
Hmmm might be because an older version of ffdshow was installed on the laptop, but it works with WMP, just not with MPC-HC. Confused
I'll try to install everything again.


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 01:14    Post subject:
60fps pr0n...



Such a shame that it uses OpenCL when my GPU is a 9600mGT...


And my problem was that it doesn't seem to like MPC-HC x64, works fine with the x86 version.


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 01:17    Post subject:
TheRaccoon wrote:
EDIT: OK, maybe standard is better. Seems to be producing less artifacts.


No, I was wrong. It looks better with advanced. I messed something up with my configuration.

Performance seems to be better for me when watching in Fullscreen and 'Framerate change' forced to 2X instead of syncing to refresh rate within Profile configuration...


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PostPosted: Sat, 28th Jan 2012 03:06    Post subject:
This program is amazing! Too bad my computer just cant handle it but i could clearly see an improvement when in "Demonstration Mode".


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