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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 08:19    Post subject:
Ashok0 wrote:
What are 3 good crew skills for IA Operative?


You have some flexibility but many people would probably suggest biochem, which matches up with the supporting skills of bioanalysis and diplomacy. Another good choice would be cybertech, which relies on scavenging and underworld trading.
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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 10:08    Post subject:
crafting is really something that stands out in this mmo, compared to most others.

Its just so satisfying, to discover better versions of a receipt and even more satisfying, if you get a "critical hit (so to speak)" on them.

here an example :




First Row are the receipts, the green one being the original and the blue and 2 purple receipts discovered from it (either by crafting or reverse engineering) and the bottom one being an example of a "critical success" (having an open mod slot extra)

they sure did good with that part of the game hehe.


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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 10:20    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
crafting is really something that stands out in this mmo, compared to most others.

Its just so satisfying, to discover better versions of a receipt and even more satisfying, if you get a "critical hit (so to speak)" on them.


As someone who enjoys crafting above everything else (SWG pre-CU crafting, ATITD) this games crafting is hardly something that stands out. The only more 'modern' mainstream MMO that had decent crafting recently was Vanguard.
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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 13:08    Post subject:
human_steel wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/05/star-wars-sexism-dark-side-vette-sex-torture-slave_n_1186371.html

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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 13:19    Post subject:
human_steel wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/05/star-wars-sexism-dark-side-vette-sex-torture-slave_n_1186371.html

Laughing


God thats harsh!
Thats why i always play those games as a "goog person". I just couldnt play like that:P


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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 16:45    Post subject:
Uhm, I think the crafting is as straight forward as it gets - much like the rest of the game.
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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 17:04    Post subject:
Radicalus wrote:
Uhm, I think the crafting is as straight forward as it gets - much like the rest of the game.


and that means ?

Because"straight forward" isn't much of a measurement of quality, but a rating of difficulty.

If its that, yes, crafting is easy to do.

But seeing as its you posting, im sure some failtrolling is coming as a reply Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jan 2012 22:26    Post subject:
Bought a key now... well, its not working. (gamekeystore.com)

Gods way to say "spend your time another way" (yes, with starcraft Cool Face )
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 00:16    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
Radicalus wrote:
Uhm, I think the crafting is as straight forward as it gets - much like the rest of the game.


and that means ?

Because"straight forward" isn't much of a measurement of quality, but a rating of difficulty.

If its that, yes, crafting is easy to do.

But seeing as its you posting, im sure some failtrolling is coming as a reply Smile


Wasn't I on ignore for you? Was better for both of us that way.

Anyway, I don't want to get in a long winded post, but there are a few things to consider:
Crafting, much like the rest of the game doesn't require any choices to be made. There is a clear "best" path for every class regarding itemization and it's based on simple math. Material about this is already available on the forums and other places.

The from gathering to producing work line is also very linear and has no variance. Finding recipes is also a simple, well known procedure.

Until people start making twinked characters, BioWare took the incentive of people away from buying crafted goods, because slightly worse stuff is available from vendors at a good price (for the same level), than what a crafter could make. This leaves a very small window for crafters to make a profit, when looking at the vast majority of the game's audience, the profit isn't even guaranteed. Let me give you an example: A grade 3 green beam generator from the vendor costs 2750, crafting a grade 2 blue beam generator costs me at average around 2000. The difference in quality between the two is minimal (in the blue's favor). Posting it as a one day offer takes off roughly 13%t. So if I sell for around 4500 - which people don't tend to buy these days at that price, but let's assume - then my profit is ~1950. Taking in to account account the time it takes my companions to farm the components, I calculated, that during the same time from the nerfed slicing I make 2.2 - 2.3 times more.

That's the below level 50 market, and this won't change until people start caring about having the best possible items for any given level, while leveling their second/third .. characters. Even then, the question stands, will people care? Leveling is piss easy anyway - and fast - so why invest in something, that changes so quickly.

That leaves the level 50 market - I'll have to analyze that in detail, before I give my opinion on crafting, but the below level 50 market is thoroughly fucked.

Anyway, if I feel like it, I'll explain all these in detail later.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 01:00    Post subject:
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/feature/5962/General-The-2011-Players-Choice-Awards.html

Rift beating SWTOR for the title "2011 Most Innovative" Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 01:20    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/feature/5962/General-The-2011-Players-Choice-Awards.html

Rift beating SWTOR for the title "2011 Most Innovative" Laughing

and you are surprised why? rift might not be most innovative game on the market, but it sure adds decent amount of stuff, apart different crafting system what new does swtor adds, oh ye nothing at all
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 01:31    Post subject:
I'm suprised because rift is an even worse ripoff from WoW, yet it's more innovative then SWTOR? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

And things they have added in Rift are laughable.


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 01:42    Post subject:
name them then..
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 01:52    Post subject:
World events = laughable questing over a course of 5 days, can't call that an event.
See here:

instant questing adventure = you get put in a group with people to kill xx amount of mobs there, then collect xx of items there, then kill elite mob named x and rinse and repeat.
See here:

True they added a new area, but if you look to the older area's already, most was quite deserted.
So why not think of something to bring the older ones back to life.

And the thing that killed Rift is it's engine, GameBryo for an MMORPG, unoptimized as fuck.
People could bear with a bad clone of WoW, but having it run on a rig like mine with 5-10 fps in combat... lolololol

Anyway i cba going over ALL things i hated while playing it. Played it for around 5 months (or so), cleared more then half of HK before it left it.
But i regret not doing something better with that time.


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:08    Post subject:
Yet Rift played really welll compared to swtor, and it even looks decent, compared to swtor, and it dosent eat your system ressources like a fat chick at an all you can eat buffet .
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:14    Post subject:
That's why i run SWTOR at a almost solid 80+ fps, while Rift runs at 20-25 fps outside combat...

Those that say that Rift plays smoother and better then SWTOR have really strange standards...

GameBryo = shit engine =/= fact, NOTHING runs good on that shit (and no, i don't mean skyrim's version of GameBryo)


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:18    Post subject:
*coughDivinty2cough*. Ran perfectly fine for me
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:25    Post subject:
Can't recall that game tbh, prolly didn't finish it yet Razz

But comeon, the (older) gamebryo engine was/is pretty shit compared to most, got to agree on that Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:35    Post subject:
Hellifant wrote:
Yet Rift played really welll compared to swtor, and it even looks decent, compared to swtor, and it dosent eat your system ressources like a fat chick at an all you can eat buffet .

yeah, and rift is still played!
oh wait...


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:43    Post subject:
i just love how some people can hate on games lol.

I can understand not like/dislike a game, but hating , damn.

People like Smikis. etc sure have my sympathies, having to hate on games, how poor must their life be ^^.

Btw enjoying the game way more, since i switched to a german server and away from Atho City , the ghetto noob server. ^^
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:47    Post subject:
Well, i will get my copy prolly around next week somewhere (if i'm lucky), don't know what to do tbh.
Continue with current char that i made during the pre-release days.
Go back to old WoW/Rift guild and play SWTOR with them (altho we prolly end up the same as in WoW and Rift, 4 of us boosting 21/16 others that nonstop fucking fail all the time)
Or join these crappy Germans, altho they do PvP and i kinda dislike PvPing Razz

Just sitting here thinking hard if i want to get deep involved into MMORPG again and go hardcore raiding or take it slow this time.
I do however have planned to go DEFO play Tera Online once it's released, this is just a timekiller untill then Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:59    Post subject:
Oh so you didnt experience the awesome swtor client yet? Looking forward for your hate post here Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 03:01    Post subject:
Read:

sausje wrote:
Continue with current char that i made during the pre-release days.


And look thru this topic, more then enough posts with screenshots i took during those days Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 03:56    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Well, i will get my copy prolly around next week somewhere (if i'm lucky), don't know what to do tbh.
Continue with current char that i made during the pre-release days.
Go back to old WoW/Rift guild and play SWTOR with them (altho we prolly end up the same as in WoW and Rift, 4 of us boosting 21/16 others that nonstop fucking fail all the time)
Or join these crappy Germans, altho they do PvP and i kinda dislike PvPing Razz

Just sitting here thinking hard if i want to get deep involved into MMORPG again and go hardcore raiding or take it slow this time.
I do however have planned to go DEFO play Tera Online once it's released, this is just a timekiller untill then Razz


YOU'LL JOIN US, sin joined too !! Razz

(of course we'll do some pve .. I already did some raids with other guilds, because everyone knows that I'm an epic healer :>. and if we get enough people together, we can do our own raids.)

there's no way around... and I'll even create a new char if you join us Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 03:59    Post subject:
Kuro? Blotus the Hutt?


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 04:29    Post subject:
Oh fick mich, hab keine wahl eh^^

Shit kuro Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 04:39    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Oh fick mich, hab keine wahl eh^^

Shit kuro Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 04:48    Post subject:
Hmm, i don't want to be evil tho.
When i think of SW, i think of pure good, no evil!

And we all know Germans like to be evil, so how's that going to work? Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 04:49    Post subject:
Holy crap, is der nicht extrem voll wegen Derpvinho von WoWSzene?

sausje wrote:
Hmm, i don't want to be evil tho.
When i think of SW, i think of pure good, no evil!

And we all know Germans like to be evil, so how's that going to work? Razz


Kuro's char is a Jedi-Sage. Means they are Republic. Scratch Head (Not evil)


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