Buying new essentials (CPU+MOBO+RAM)
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zipfero




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:00    Post subject: Buying new essentials (CPU+MOBO+RAM)
I am going to buy CPU+MOBO+RAM. I'm on a strict budget and so far what I've come up with is this:

Core i5 I5-2500K 6 MB
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro
Corsair XMS3 1 x 4 GB x2

I am also considering buying a Corsair H60 Hydro Series cooler. I'm going to wait with HDD and also GFX..partly because of budget issues and maybe their price will go down a bit in january cause of the 7900 series coming, but im not sure, curious what you think. for GFX I was considering a 560Ti. I also maybe have access to a 57XX AMD card so maybe that will tide me over for some time.

My main question I suppose is concerning the motherboard if its a decent choice or if there is something else in the same price I should be looking at! The RAM I looked at are just Kingston value, is there significant performance increase to find in other types that don't cost too much more?

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After all your sage advice I have changed the RAM to Corsair XMS3 1 x 4 GB x2 and an ASUS ASUS P8Z68-V Pro! ..Part of it will be my christmas present so I need to lock it down soon so they can actually buy the stuff Very Happy
edit2: thanks all some of it will be under the christmas tree but I have locked it down now, only added a Antec Kuhler H2O 620 CPU Cooler to the mix


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zipfero




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:06    Post subject:
kind of a noob on the matter, so any help is greatly appreciated..havent assembled my own computer since my AMD Athlon 1800! Laughing


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Mchart




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:07    Post subject:
Asus p8z68 pro is a better choice. Overclocks better, and an UEFI bios along with Asus's superior control options.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:11    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:
Asus p8z68 pro is a better choice. Overclocks better, and an UEFI bios along with Asus's superior control options.


Duly noted! It's a bit more expensive but mobo is probably a place you dont skimp! Smile thx
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:26    Post subject:
I'm with Mr Chart on this, I'm blissfully happy with my Asus P8Z68V-Pro and UEFI has definitely converted me Very Happy I got very, very lucky though... managed to snag the board at 50% cost due to buying it as part of a bundle with my i5-25k and H80 (which was also 30% off as part of the bundle) -- I don't think I'd have gone for the P8Z68 outside of the bundle, due to the high price.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:35    Post subject:
zipfero wrote:
Mchart wrote:
Asus p8z68 pro is a better choice. Overclocks better, and an UEFI bios along with Asus's superior control options.


Duly noted! It's a bit more expensive but mobo is probably a place you dont skimp! Smile thx


Motherboard is probably the place where you can skimp the most...As long as you make sure it has support for everything you need (proper socket, memory clock, sata controller, etc), you wont gain much from a more expensive motherboard.

If you enjoy overclocking or want a fancy BIOS, or other similar things that give you something extra, but aren't really needed - then go right ahead. Otherwise it's money better spent on other components.
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Mchart




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:54    Post subject:
I disagree. Motherboard is what you want to spend the most on within reason. It's going to be the part you are stuck with.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 19:57    Post subject:
Yeah but it doesn't effect the performance in any notable way...If I can choose between 100$ and 200$ motherboard I'll always spend that extra 100$ on a better CPU or GPU, rather on a mobo with a bunch of features I don't really need. If I have the extra money, then sure I'd get a good mobo, but only after I was fully satisfied with my other components.
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Mchart




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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 20:12    Post subject:
It doesn't effect performance (usually) but it's more of a case of having the better options, stability, and other things that typically make for a good motherboard.

I've dealt with enough shitty motherboards to never want to deal with it again.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 20:18    Post subject:
well the difference isnt 100 dollars more like 45. I am strongly considering overclocking the CPU, having heard the 2500k is pretty apt at it and getting a water cooler on top. I will definitely reconsider my choice of mobo. What about ram, guys? Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 20:39    Post subject:
I wouldnt go for gigabyte and i5... But I am not up to date recently


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 20:49    Post subject:
Why wouldn't you go for the i5? The SB series i5s are by far the best value for money you can get, simply due to the extreme performance and overclockability.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 21:13    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Why wouldn't you go for the i5? The SB series i5s are by far the best value for money you can get, simply due to the extreme performance and overclockability.

Ive said that I am not up to date Wink
For all I know i7 was leading year ago and i5 was a weaker version of it.

Tho i will have to look around becouse I might update in some time too


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 21:40    Post subject:
Weaker is too global a term. The i7-2600k is "weaker" than the i7-3960x ... but that doesn't make the 2600k a worse choice given how it's a quarter of the price Very Happy There are two variations of the i-series; Nehalem and Sandy Bridge, with the i7 generally being more powerful than the i5, but at a significant price premium. The new SB i5s are superior to the old Nehalem i7s - and they're cheaper too.

Naturally the i7-26k is the "best" choice if you can afford to spend the cash, but as far as cost/performance ratio? The i5-25k is sublime.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 21:57    Post subject:
I am still happy with my current setup (sig) which Ive choosen and installed every element myself over 4 years ago. Thats the first pc which i bought entirely for my own hard worked money. Well, Then I was up to date and those were some of most powerfull parts then;)
Tho ive first got 8800gts 320mb (big ass fucking brick) and exchanged it for what I have now.

Well it begins to age rapidly now, with consoles weakening, but it still holds up besides high temperatures ,even after completly cleaning with replacing heatsink everywhere, even on gpu.


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 22:00    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
There are two variations of the i-series; Nehalem and Sandy Bridge

Actually - three. The third being the 32nm shrink of Nehalem - Westmere.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 22:08    Post subject:
Good point, though Westmere was simply a die shrink *and* it was originally called Nehalem-C.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 22:44    Post subject: Re: Buying new essentials (CPU+MOBO+RAM)
zipfero wrote:
I am going to buy CPU+MOBO+RAM. I'm on a strict budget and so far what I've come up with is this:

Core i5 I5-2500K 6 MB
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 (rev. 1.0)
2x4GB Kingston 1600 DDR3

I am also considering buying a Corsair H60 Hydro Series cooler. I'm going to wait with HDD and also GFX..partly because of budget issues and maybe their price will go down a bit in january cause of the 7900 series coming, but im not sure, curious what you think. for GFX I was considering a 560Ti. I also maybe have access to a 57XX AMD card so maybe that will tide me over for some time.

My main question I suppose is concerning the motherboard if its a decent choice or if there is something else in the same price I should be looking at! The RAM I looked at are just Kingston value, is there significant performance increase to find in other types that don't cost too much more?

Don't bother with the H60; you can get cheaper air coolers that perform just as well, things like a ThermalTake Frio or Noctua DH-14.

As for videocard: wait. Even if not to actually wait for price drops, but rather to wait for people selling their 560/570's and 6950/6970's. If the figures I'm hearing for their specs and performance are correct, the new AMD cards will be pretty awesome; I would provide some proof, but it's all talk at the moment, AMD have not officially presented any figures yet.

Don't bother with Kingston ValueRAM, it's unstable crap. RAM is so cheap right now that you should just get Corsair's XMS or something similar Smile

As for the motherboard, I'm not 100% up to date on SB motherboards, so take the other people's word for that Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 22:56    Post subject:
@werelds: I will look in to Corsair XMS, thx for that. I was going to wait with GFX regardless. I probably wont buy a used one, though.

@KillerCrocker ..I'm sure that there are more powerful CPU's out there but this is built on a budget and the i7-2600k is over a 100 dollars more here.


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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 23:03    Post subject:
There is one key difference between the i5-25k and the i7-26k, but it has no gaming worth and is beneficial mostly for encoding/creation-type work -- and that's the i7 has hypthreading, two threads per core for 8 threads. Impressive technology for the software suites that use it... all four of them Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Dec 2011 23:04    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
There is one key difference between the i5-25k and the i7-26k, but it has no gaming worth and is beneficial mostly for encoding/creation-type work -- and that's the i7 has hypthreading, two threads per core for 8 threads. Impressive technology for the software suites that use it... all four of them Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Dec 2011 07:15    Post subject:
BearishSun wrote:
zipfero wrote:
Mchart wrote:
Asus p8z68 pro is a better choice. Overclocks better, and an UEFI bios along with Asus's superior control options.


Duly noted! It's a bit more expensive but mobo is probably a place you dont skimp! Smile thx


Motherboard is probably the place where you can skimp the most...As long as you make sure it has support for everything you need (proper socket, memory clock, sata controller, etc), you wont gain much from a more expensive motherboard.

If you enjoy overclocking or want a fancy BIOS, or other similar things that give you something extra, but aren't really needed - then go right ahead. Otherwise it's money better spent on other components.


On Sandy Bridge it isnt necessary to get uber motherboard (even overclocking to 4.5ghz levels is piece of cake on some cheap shit). Since SB overclocking is multiplier based it doesnt require that fancy shit (vcore and some adjustments should find in any mobo out there).
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Mchart




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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Dec 2011 20:22    Post subject:
No, it isn't. However, I would get a motherboard with UEFI support, and loaded with a wealth of other things that just make it easier to use.

You'll be stuck with the motherboard for the life of the system. Might as well invest wisely.
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Dec 2011 20:29    Post subject: Re: Buying new essentials (CPU+MOBO+RAM)
zipfero wrote:
edit:
After all your sage advice I have changed the RAM to Corsair XMS3 1 x 4 GB x2 and an ASUS ASUS P8Z68-V Pro! ..Part of it will be my christmas present so I need to lock it down soon so they can actually buy the stuff Very Happy

It's exactly like my system! you'll be amazed by the power of this beast Smile Gratz!!
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Dec 2011 20:48    Post subject:
thanks all some of it will be under the christmas tree but I have locked it down now, only added a Antec Kuhler H2O 620 CPU Cooler to the mix Smile

ixigia wrote:
zipfero wrote:
edit:
After all your sage advice I have changed the RAM to Corsair XMS3 1 x 4 GB x2 and an ASUS ASUS P8Z68-V Pro! ..Part of it will be my christmas present so I need to lock it down soon so they can actually buy the stuff Very Happy

It's exactly like my system! you'll be amazed by the power of this beast Smile Gratz!!


good to hear! I got a 4850HD right now courtesy of the awesome PumpAction but I think I may be able to trade it for a 5770 with my father who doesnt use his PC for gaming anyway(unless you call the rare replay of Dungeon Siege gaming Laughing)


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Dec 2011 22:48    Post subject:
I dunno lot about that mobo but my last experience with Asus wasn't good. Ehm the 2500k doesn't really need water cooling, it will hit an over clock barrier before it gets to hot. Unless you run heavy tasks 24/7 I think that is a waste of money.


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