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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 08:33    Post subject: Recommend me a good RTS playable in LAN! FPSs too!
This may be very well the second, third or even fourth time I consider creating a new topic, asking for suggestions or recommendations about a certain kind of games. Normally I just find something that catches my attention, or I just give up, but after hours of searching and even downloading a few games, I ended up with nothing that could fill the hole. So, this time I went through with it and here's my topic. Razz

RTS:
OK, what I'm looking at the moment for is a real-time strategy game playable in true offline LAN, so I can play with my younger brother.

Now, here's the catch: by real-time strategy, I do mean real-time strategy in the likes of Age of Empires. No turn-based (Civilization series), grand-strategy (Paradox games), tactical (Total War games), 4x (space trading games), simulation (Anno/Settlers games), etc. Must have base-building, resource harvesting, and it would be very cool if it featured some kind of walls, towers edifications and a true rarity this days... random maps. Plus it setting should be either historical or at the very least modern, which means: no futuristic. Also, may it support widescreen resolutions, aka "no oldies" please. Already had my share off those back in the day. And it must be "Captain Hook approved".

Why I am asking for this? Mainly to rule out games either we don't like, already have or games we just don't feel like playing at the moment.

Here's a list of RTSs we already have, already played and/or don't want:
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I'm open to suggestions, even for those outside of what I'm asking, as long as they weren't mentioned in the spoiler above and if they're really, really good. Rolling Eyes

FPS:
BTW, any first-person shooters, also playable in an offline LAN, with bot (A.I.) support in a modern setting? Sad

Another list, this one for the FPSs that we already have, already played and/or don't want:
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In both lists there are games that don't qualify for what I'm asking, but are there for the sake of ruling out names.

Now, I know I'm asking a lot, and probably there won't even be many serious replys, but I think it's worth the risk.

So... please recommend away! Awesome
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 08:42    Post subject:
grab C&C 3 tiberium wars, i saw that C&C 3 deluxe was on your do-not-want list but tiberium wars wasn't, easily the best out of all C&C games ever for offline LAN play, it is futuristic though and victory squads can sweep a map clean but it never gets old at our LAN parties.

especially when your victory squad is around 300 or more of the brotherhood of nod suicide bomber guys Laughing but it works with any unit and if someone starts amassing victory squads just play super offensive as it'll take them nearly a full half hour or more (1 hour + for mammoth tank victory squad) also make sure you get the KANE edition not the normal version of the game as it adds more specialized versions of the standard armies, forget C&C 4 tiberium however, that one was complete and utter shit as well as RA:3.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 08:48    Post subject:
Red alert 2 and Yuris revenge. Very good games, i think you need to install IPX protocol on newer windows for it to work.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 08:57    Post subject:
fuckit wrote:
grab C&C 3 tiberium wars, i saw that C&C 3 deluxe was on your do-not-want list but tiberium wars wasn't, easily the best out of all C&C games ever for offline LAN play, it is futuristic though and victory squads can sweep a map clean but it never gets old at our LAN parties.

especially when your victory squad is around 300 or more of the brotherhood of nod suicide bomber guys Laughing but it works with any unit and if someone starts amassing victory squads just play super offensive as it'll take them nearly a full half hour or more (1 hour + for mammoth tank victory squad) also make sure you get the KANE edition not the normal version of the game as it adds more specialized versions of the standard armies, forget C&C 4 tiberium however, that one was complete and utter shit as well as RA:3.


The C&C3 Deluxe Edition is really just the Tiberium Wars Kane Edition with the Kane's Wrath Expansion. Razz

I and concur, the game is indeed great. I played a few hours yesterday on skirmish. The only thing that I was never a fan of, are the lack of some kind of walls. I played years Age of Empires II, both on my old PC, my new PC and even on my PS2! I and guess I couldn't get over the awesomeness those were. And the thrill of exploration a map. Something that can't be done in C&C3. Sad

Man, either way, you just gave me the itch to play it again (C&C3)! Laughing

PS: For some reason this conversation is giving me a strong feeling of déjà vu.

karlikas wrote:
Red alert 2 and Yuris revenge. Very good games, i think you need to install IPX protocol on newer windows for it to work.


Yes they are, but already had my share of them. Razz Between the hassle it must be to install them on a modern PC, and the fact they're very old by today standards, I guess I'll pass. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:04    Post subject:
cheat2win wrote:
The only thing that I was never a fan of, are the lack of some kind of walls

Man, either way, you just gave me the itch to play it again (C&C3)! Laughing


the only walls i needed were the walls of units, man i loved doing a thousand unit victory squad with rocket troops, can hit land and air, nothing lived Laughing i can't quite remember off the top of my head but i believe if you victory squad with mammoth tanks they can block move orders for ground units (chokepoints)

and yeah, me too Laughing it always took a bit to get going over LAN but it was so worth it, just know that once the lag gets bad enough for the game to be played in stop motion someone's victory squad is coming, so you better pray yours is nearly there. Laughing

also, the last CIV game was awesome, i've heard it's also awesome on multi, but offline LAN, nah i doubt it the lol wuts who make videogames these days are too retarded to remember the good features.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:18    Post subject:
I went googling and found this walls mod:
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I guess I'll give it a try latter.

fuckit wrote:
the only walls i needed were the walls of units, man i loved doing a thousand unit victory squad with rocket troops, can hit land and air, nothing lived Laughing i can't quite remember off the top of my head but i believe if you victory squad with mammoth tanks they can block move orders for ground units (chokepoints)


You're right. A few mammoth thanks, and nothing passes. Very Happy

fuckit wrote:
and yeah, me too Laughing it always took a bit to get going over LAN but it was so worth it, just know that once the lag gets bad enough for the game to be played in stop motion someone's victory squad is coming, so you better pray yours is nearly there. Laughing


The joys of LAN! Razz Laughing

fuckit wrote:
also, the last CIV game was awesome, i've heard it's also awesome on multi, but offline LAN, nah i doubt it the lol wuts who make videogames these days are too retarded to remember the good features.


I also liked CIV V a lot, but between the late game unsupportable lag, and the lack of LAN (I guess they added through a patch a hotseat mode or something, but that stills needs fiddling with Steam), my choice when regarding a Civilization game will always drop on the IV plus expansions (and if desired one mod or another).[/quote]


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:26    Post subject:
yeah true, it's really hard to recommend the latest civ title to anyone who hasn't experienced it for a good 40+ hours on their own anyway, they literally won't know which actions are resulting in your wins (your friend in this case obviously) but it was a really good game and surprisingly deep with the variations of tactics for an TBS/RTS, i loved that one even though i wasn't a fan of the others so much.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:36    Post subject:
fuckit wrote:
yeah true, it's really hard to recommend the latest civ title to anyone who hasn't experienced it for a good 40+ hours on their own anyway, they literally won't know which actions are resulting in your wins (your friend in this case obviously) but it was a really good game and surprisingly deep with the variations of tactics for an TBS/RTS, i loved that one even though i wasn't a fan of the others so much.


I truly loved the tactical aspect of it. Positioning the shock troops on the front, the artillery on the back, flanking with the cavalry... It is way, way superior to the previous games, and their infamous Stacks of Doom. I miss playing it, but as I said, the lag was unsupportable for me. It was really incomprehensible. One minute, it was flying, but when reaching the 1700s/1800s (this in a marathon game), it was like flipping a switch: lag and more lag. Minutes and more minutes waiting. I guess that in a online or LAN game, the waiting would maybe be tolerable, but playing alone, it wasn't just worth it.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:37    Post subject:
for fps, definately try the old Alien vs Predator series, especially the 2nd one, had so much fun playing it with my friends back in the old days

and for rts, try Earth 2150, tho i havent tried MP but played a shitload of skirmish maps so i supposed it should be as much fun as the MP ^^
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:41    Post subject:
i never really bothered trying multi with the last civ one, but the victory squadding we'd always wind up doing in tiberium wars was the worst lag i've ever experienced, you'd get like a 5 second lag between issuing orders and them being carried out if not 10+ seconds when a victory squad was in motion.

one of our best matches was me with 500 rocket troops in my CTRL group 1 victory squad followed up by around 300 juggernaut artillery in CTRL group 2, brought one in from above, staggered #2 about a minute, my roomy threw his keyboard across the room it wiped his base out so quick.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:50    Post subject:
Sandro742... wrote:
for fps, definately try the old Alien vs Predator series, especially the 2nd one, had so much fun playing it with my friends back in the old days

and for rts, try Earth 2150, tho i havent tried MP but played a shitload of skirmish maps so i supposed it should be as much fun as the MP ^^


Aliens versus Predator 2 = too old. Sad

Earth 2150 = I forgot mentioning, but I played 2160. Didn't really liked it. Hell, I couldn't even figure out how to issue orders. Don't know if it was some kind of incompatibility with Windows 7 x64, but either way, it's too futuristic for what I'm looking for at the moment.

fuckit wrote:
one of our best matches was me with 500 rocket troops in my CTRL group 1 victory squad followed up by around 300 juggernaut artillery in CTRL group 2, brought one in from above, staggered #2 about a minute, my roomy threw his keyboard across the room it wiped his base out so quick.
LOL
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:52    Post subject:
You got Company of Heroes there on your list. That's all you need =)

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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:56    Post subject:
Vikerness wrote:
You got Company of Heroes there on your list. That's all you need =)


That's what my brother keeps saying. Failed Troll
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 09:59    Post subject:
cheat2win wrote:
fuckit wrote:
one of our best matches was me with 500 rocket troops in my CTRL group 1 victory squad followed up by around 300 juggernaut artillery in CTRL group 2, brought one in from above, staggered #2 about a minute, my roomy threw his keyboard across the room it wiped his base out so quick.
LOL


yeah i know, there was one map we played a ton that had all the blue tiberium right in the center, we agreed on a truce of no attacking harvesters or refineries until they started to run out of tiberium and go back to stop orders automatically a few times, like 6-10+ refineries right at the tiberium crystals in the center, about 10 production buildings per each unit to be included in your victory squad. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:01    Post subject:
was brink playable on lan?
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:03    Post subject:
mach1ne wrote:
was brink playable on lan?


iirc it was close to an MMO, not positive though, never really heard anything good about the game.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:03    Post subject:
Check out the game "Sacrifice" by Shiny, it's pretty damn fun in multiplayer.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:07    Post subject:
Brink on LAN? Honestly never tried. In theory yes. It ran like shit on my PC. Awful port is awful.

Sacrifice? Too old. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:09    Post subject:
World in Conflict is (IMO) the funnest to play at big LAN parties. It's just pure chaos and the action starts up a lot faster then base building RTS's.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:09    Post subject:
Go for Call of duty 4 if ur looking for offline fps,itz still d best after cs

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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:10    Post subject:
there's one first person shooter i can recommend really highly for LAN too but i'm having trouble thinking of the name, it was the one where you could blow off individual body parts with a strong enough weapon, it had a semi-recent sequel that was derpy as all fuck but the one before that (which was considerably old) was pretty good in LAN.

Mchart wrote:
World in Conflict is (IMO) the funnest to play at big LAN parties. It's just pure chaos and the action starts up a lot faster then base building RTS's.


yeah fairly decent game too, but the uber restrictive unit limits kinda killed the enjoyment for me. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:12    Post subject:
Kings Bounty.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:12    Post subject:
using promods ofc.

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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:14    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:
World in Conflict is (IMO) the funnest to play at big LAN parties. It's just pure chaos and the action starts up a lot faster then base building RTS's.


No base building nor resource harvesting. Sad

GFT.Leo2987 wrote:
Go for Call of duty 4 if ur looking for offline fps,itz still d best after cs


No bot support. There are mods, but the bots seems to suck. Sad

Mchart wrote:
Kings Bounty.


Awesome game /thread. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:17    Post subject:
fuckit wrote:
there's one first person shooter i can recommend really highly for LAN too but i'm having trouble thinking of the name, it was the one where you could blow off individual body parts with a strong enough weapon, it had a semi-recent sequel that was derpy as all fuck but the one before that (which was considerably old) was pretty good in LAN.

soldier of fortune 2?
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:18    Post subject:
WiC doesn't have base building but thats the best part about it. You just spawn what units you want and fucking go at it. Then you got the awesome tactical options.. The game rocks. So many strategies to. Many people skip over buying infantry because they think tanks are the best option. Infantry fucking rape if you can give them cover in a forest. Of course, napalm stops that fast.

It's my favorite RTS. Just so many different winning strategies, and it still has great graphics. Nor do you have that stupid first couple minutes of the game building a stupid base. (This is why I think Starcraft II is a fucking joke. I realize they were going for old school appeal, but the game would be just as effective if it didn't have base building. In the end, you end up building a base on a map only in a certain way anyways. So why bother including it if everyone is always going to do the same thing regardless?)
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:32    Post subject:
mach1ne wrote:
fuckit wrote:
there's one first person shooter i can recommend really highly for LAN too but i'm having trouble thinking of the name, it was the one where you could blow off individual body parts with a strong enough weapon, it had a semi-recent sequel that was derpy as all fuck but the one before that (which was considerably old) was pretty good in LAN.

soldier of fortune 2?

yup, that's the one.
it is sort of ancient by now but... was a lot of fun still.

Mchart wrote:
WiC doesn't have base building but thats the best part about it. You just spawn what units you want and fucking go at it. Then you got the awesome tactical options.. The game rocks. So many strategies to. Many people skip over buying infantry because they think tanks are the best option. Infantry fucking rape if you can give them cover in a forest. Of course, napalm stops that fast.

It's my favorite RTS. Just so many different winning strategies, and it still has great graphics. Nor do you have that stupid first couple minutes of the game building a stupid base. (This is why I think Starcraft II is a fucking joke. I realize they were going for old school appeal, but the game would be just as effective if it didn't have base building. In the end, you end up building a base on a map only in a certain way anyways. So why bother including it if everyone is always going to do the same thing regardless?)


yeah i get why they didn't include base building or more than three units per side, it did create a really tactics intensive RTS game too, but.... those were kinda non-optional things for me, good for what it was, which was... not the type of game i'm very interested in.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:56    Post subject:
RTS: Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance - best rts in years Wink

FPS: Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2 - coop is fun.
Resident Evil 5 as coop shooter ?
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Nov 2011 10:58    Post subject:
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krell1983 wrote:
RTS: Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance - best rts in years Wink



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