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dethy
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Location: Conclave of Shadows
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Damnit, was gonna buy this but now not so sure.
Any ideas of Galactic Civilization 3 is in the making? Firedup my gal civ 2 for a space strategy fix....
My specs:
Ryzen 5950x @ boosting 5ghz, Gigabyte x570 Aorus Master, 128gb G.Skill Trident Neo pc3600 ram, nVidia RTX 5080, SoundBlasterX G6, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 1TB and Hynix m.2 1TB storage SSD. Custom watercooling loop.
Derpsole: Nintendo Switch, Derpstation 5 Pro
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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Well I was looking forward to this, but obviously it's completely imploded on itself.
It was hilarious watching the forums as people came to the realization that the beta bait and switch trick had not turned SOTS into an actual game.
It is a complete scam to sell this shit with a straight face. I also like the no refunds policy. All bases covered!
Seems as if anyone can string together a 3D engine and call it a game, then sell it and not be liable for anything. I'm so glad that the future of PC Gaming is here! (but don't worry, DLC has been included with the patch- maybe next DLC you'll get an options menu!)
Although I had suspected SOTS to be horribly buggy, most $40 games are at minimum, complete works. This is just a petty abuse of customers.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 16:51 Post subject: |
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And if I may bash further, Kerberos still sucks balls at interface design. Arial and cheap gradients again. 
I agree that MOO2 remains king. Beyond all the mechanics, it had great personality, art and music. GalCiv2 would've been a true rival if it had had proper tactical battles (still damn good though). SOTS1 never hooked me: besides the unappealing art, the macro aspect always seemed quite watered down, a skeletal framework around the more robust combat system.
Now, I was gonna try SOTS2. Had already downloaded it, but seeing the first patch is somehow bigger than the game and that it fixes nothing in the massive trainwreck, I'll keep waiting. I expected the game to be a bit buggy, but this is overkill.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 19:02 Post subject: |
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so this is not even worth downloading? was looking soo much forward to play space games... maybe this will be good when it gets patched hard!? any potential?
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Epsilon
Dr. Strangelove
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Location: War Room
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 19:06 Post subject: |
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Patch just released on steam 17369c, fixed a lot of the issues I was having.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 19:18 Post subject: |
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Patch fixed the star map crashes for me. Haven't tried any combat yet, so no idea how playable it is yet.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 19:53 Post subject: |
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Sword of the Stars II Lords of Winter Update 2-SKIDROW
5mb patch
Glad it fixed issues.
Please let us know if it is worth playing yet Epsilon.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 20:28 Post subject: |
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Right, managed to get into combat without it crashing now. Your own ships still don't have any AI though, so combat is kind of ass right now.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 20:31 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | | Right, managed to get into combat without it crashing now. Your own ships still don't have any AI though, so combat is kind of ass right now. |
Like, none at all? Or just really bad?
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Sencom
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Location: P3X-584
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 20:50 Post subject: |
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| JackArbiter wrote: | | dezztroy wrote: | | Right, managed to get into combat without it crashing now. Your own ships still don't have any AI though, so combat is kind of ass right now. |
Like, none at all? Or just really bad? |
None at all. They won't turn to face targets, they won't pursue targets when told to,etc.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 22:51 Post subject: |
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Wtf is going on with 4x games. First Stardock with beta of Elemental, now Kerberos with alpha of Sins. I'm seriously disappointed. I guess I'll look up this one in half a year, till then back to C-evo.
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Vassago
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Location: Wanking in hell
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Oct 2011 23:43 Post subject: |
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They just care about stealing ppl's money, no QA anymore.
Hulk to superman: Puny man, who wears his underwear on the outside.
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JBeckman
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Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 16:34 Post subject: |
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As I wrote on the last page they kinda ran out of time with the publisher, should that info be correct, I've no idea.
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1674024#1674024
(Also explains those added 3GB of data from the first "patch" being mostly those immersion DLC packs.)
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 17:10 Post subject: |
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| Vassago wrote: | | They just care about stealing ppl's money, no QA anymore. |
They care about having people purchase the game so the company can survive. They've already had to fire a number of employees over the past year.
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JBeckman
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Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 17:13 Post subject: |
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Yeah that seems more like it I read a few posts just now that worded what I wrote above a bit differently, time wasn't as much of a problem as funding was, still it's hard to say exactly what has happened unless they do a announcement or something officially.
We'll see how the game shapes up in a while but it's a rather drastic move to release the game prematurely, hopefully most of it can be patched up though it could also make the situation worse.
(Well it kinda has but the game is still being updated and apparently a patch is planned for tomorrow as well.)
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Surray
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Location: Europe
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 18:07 Post subject: |
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any ideea how o change starting systems less han 3 ?
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 18:30 Post subject: |
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http://arinndembo.com/?p=743
Mini report from one of Kerberos team members on SOTS2 situation.
Looks like it was similar to Troika Games and Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines situation.
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Me, I pre-ordered the game, launched it once to notice that even Options screen doesn't work, Steam prices for Russian region gave me a warm smile therefore I just went to play SOTS 1 
Last edited by WhiteBarbarian on Sun, 30th Oct 2011 19:06; edited 3 times in total
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 18:50 Post subject: |
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They should've just made it a pre-order beta. They would've still gotten money, without any of the terrible reputation they're getting now. It'll be even worse once reviews start coming.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 19:11 Post subject: |
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Were there any Paradox published games that have been sold as an official public beta ? Maybe they tried to go that route but Paradox denied it.
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| Posted: Sun, 30th Oct 2011 23:28 Post subject: |
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Mecron "Putting things right", posted on Kerbs forum. Thought I'd copy it here because their servers a still a little shaky.
 Spoiler: | | Quote: | Hey folks! Helluva weekend eh?
Welcome to the perfect storm of cock up made up of 40% Murphy's Law, 30% Chaos, 20% Overambition and 10% wishful thinking. And you have our deepest regrets for what it is worth as none of this was part of the plan.
I am tempted to go into full blown explanations but a) that starts to smack of making excuses and b) in reality I think the biggest things on people's minds right now judging from your posts is "Who's responsible?!!" and "What's going to be done?!!" And even when its time for explanations I am sure you would all rather hear about it in the context of "How this won't happen again".
That latter question is an easy one and best gotten out of the way quickly. "Who is responsible?"...I am. Half my job at Kerberos is to be the one that makes the hard call. What gets prioritized. What gets pulled. What gets released. What get accepted. And in many ways, what gets said. When push comes to shove, I am the one who makes the deal with the devil. When something is supposed to be watched, its me who has to know the answer. When the switch got thrown on the wrong build, costing many of you an extra big download and letting loose an extra buggy code base, I was in traffic instead of giving the yay or nay myself. That should not have been...hell I should have insisted nothing moved until the right code had been there and confirmed multiple times. Instead I blew it and bad things happened.
So lets set this straight here. When you are dealing with SotS2 this weekend and wondering quite rightly "Who is to blame for this?!!" The answer is me. NOT Paradox...NOT Steam and certainly NOT my team. All of those forces have been exemplary in helping deal with a bad situation. When it comes to who should be at the end of anyone's fingerpoint, it's just plain ol' me.
Ok...so now onto the real important thing...The Future of SotS2 and what you can count on.
First of all the bad news...Thanks to various factors we are now sitting on top of a pile of blown apart code and unstable features. The first thing you can expect though is stability. There will be an update tomorrow which will set right much of the chaos created friday in terms of crashing and keeping you from playing that game. What it WON'T do is magically add back in every piece of functionality. Gods know I wish that I had that magic wand but the reality is that path leads to more chaos and more broken gameplay sessions. Remember that part where I mentioned making the hard calls? This is another one of those. As much as the team wants to throw themselves at this like crazy people, I am not going to ok that. Instead we will go about this in a relatively sane and orderly fashion with regular updates that make sure everything that goes back in is as stable as possible before you see it. Oh I am sure some stuff will leak through, but at least that will be dealt with quickly and cleanly. Sorry to just put the hard facts to you straight without flowers but I think we are somewhat past the flowers make it all better stage of this relationship 
What this means to you...
This plan means that you folks can expect at least 2 or 3 updates a week over the next month or so that will gradually make this game into what it should have been when the switch was pulled on friday. Soon after that you can expect personel in black suits to arrive at your house to flash a red light in your eyes. After that you will find yourself happy and enjoying the best release day ever and none of this will ever have happened.
Ok fine...I am a lil shakey on the last half of the plan but what I can tell you is that by the end of this period you WILL have more additional content than you would have under more ideal circumstances. Every update will go out with some thank you for your patience...some badges, extra maps, new nose art, more background entries. Basically whatever can be done alongside the priority path will be put in as well. The people out there who know Kerberos know that we support our games not just for weeks or months but for years. For all of you people new to us, please let me assure you that despite how your purchase may look at the moment, you can look forward to years of support. I would ask that you consider not giving up on us because it will literally take the end of the world for Kerberos and Paradox to give up on SotS2.
What I would like to ask of you...
Oh I know that is hardly what you expected to hear right now, but before your temperature rises, please hear me out becuase this portion is in reaction to ALL the posts I have read which seem to subdivide into certain clear groups.
If you are a Kerberos and/or a SotS fan then please just enjoy the game as you can over the next few weeks. I know you want to help as much as possible but to be honest you should NOT be rewarded for your support with more work. Your feedback is appreciated but in no means are you expected to act as testers or hunt bugs. Literally your patience and continued support is more than enough.
If you truely feel like you have been dumped into an unannounced beta test on this game, then please, I ask you to put the game away and not look at it till someone fires off the "all done" flag. I am not going to tell you that you should not feel this way. What I am going to say is that if you feel this way then you should not feel victimized any more than if you had made a pre-order and then been informed of a delay. I know this does not make it all right but at least it should make it clear that no one wants to use you as a beta tester nor was that ever the intent.
And finally, if you are in the camp that still feels robbed by the time you have reached this point of my post I can only offer what I can. We are fixing it and we need folks to either cheer, step aside or get out of the way cause vitriol is not going to help right now. If you demand a refund then I completely understand and you can be assured, the cost of that will make it directly to us. We will feel your "voting with your dollars", you can be sure about that and we accept that as fair play. On the other hand, if a free copy of the orginal SotS will help tide you over while we get this game shined from turnip to jewel, then please write to "contact@kerberos-productions.com" and we will set you up. If nothing else, if you are not familiar with how we support our products, you can play it and then ask the old-timers how much it changed over the years and that may reassure you.
So if you are still with me after this long post...let me summarize.
a) cock up
b) my fault
c) will be Completely fixed
d) fun stuff in many updates
e) Understanding of your position
f) Apology again and underserved request for faith and patience from people who don't know us.
That's about it folks. I hope this helps in some way or another. If enough people care, I will try and post a "Ways I can think of to prevent this from happening ever again". But otherwise its sunday and I got a whole lot of work to get done for tomorrow's update.
Once again, Regrets and our deepest thanks for whatever patience each one of you can offer.
--Martin Cirulis
CEO/Creative Director
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 00:31 Post subject: |
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CEO uses swear words, I believe him and pretend game got delayed till the end of November, for the start
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 00:36 Post subject: |
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That was brilliant. I like Martin Cirulis. It's nice to see a CEO actually talking to fans, trying to assuage their fears.. and even taking the blame for screw ups. Just like the Larian CEO. SotS2 is a little too expensive for my tastes right now (given I rarely play 4x titles) but I'm definitely going to pick this up eventually.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 00:38 Post subject: |
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Car salesman...
"Im sorry you bought our car mr smith, and I know the brakes dont really work that well right now and the headlights are dimmer than the person that let the car be sold in the first place but please just drive it around for the first 2 weeks or so and bare with us while we sort out the problems...
2 weeks later..
car salesman...
whatever happened to mr smith, he should of been back for repairs by now..
Site Manager..
Oh he died the other day, tried to stop from going over a cliff but his brakes gave out or something..
............. pffffftttttt
Its fair enough that he posted a reply about it all as the "CEO" but at end of day his whole team must of probably been more aware of the situation than he was to be honest, and they should be as much to blame as him as they could of said "wtf you doing boss, look at this shit here...."
I dunno, I think he had to put that out regardless, and its much easier to shove the blame on one person as a target of annoyance than spread the hatred over his whole team and paradox etc etc.. I call it damage limitation.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 00:38 Post subject: |
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I like where he takes responsibility, but he still made the boo-boo, so he will be forgiven, when all is fixed, not before.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 02:16 Post subject: |
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I heard this one, in the elemental war of magic forum. They promised everything.
And now after a year the game is abandoned and still buggy and unfinished.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 02:24 Post subject: |
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| pxxxp wrote: | I heard this one, in the elemental war of magic forum. They promised everything.
And now after a year the game is abandoned and still buggy and unfinished. |
SotS1 was far from perfect at launch. Look at it now.
I have no doubts this game will become something great down the road.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st Oct 2011 06:55 Post subject: |
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i buyed after i read his post.
i was still playing sots, at least one time/month since launch. one of the games who was still on my hdd after a c: system format. and he is right, sots was pretty much supported fairly good since day one.
sots 2 for me atm is unplayable, but i will be sad to see them go.
moose, comparing a real car, or hell a real cookie with a bunch of pixels ...
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