A week with Linux. Questions!
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 16:05    Post subject: A week with Linux. Questions!
So a week ago, getting sick of all the crashes, freezes and slowdowns that i got in Maya, i decided to (again) try some Linux.

First day - Fedora gnome. After the installation everything seemed fine (it booted with no errors yey!) so i decided to update the system. After the update though i notice SElinux giving me all kind of warnings, like files that are being accessed by the system and they shouldnt be. And after about 15 minutes of constant HDD activity SElinux is telling me that some file was accessed ~50.000 times !! I though its kinda of a loop between SElinux blocking it and the system trying to write it so i just disabled SElinux and restarted my system. But even after a reboot and about half an hour of waiting i still got constant HDD activity. So i decided to fuck Fedora in the butt and move on to another distribution.

Next day - OpenSUSE kde. After the installation - update the system. What i noticed is that this guy has 2 different update managers. So i click the little update notifier icon in the system tray - system freeze!. Great. Restart, click again, it works!, downloads ~200mb of updates, install, restart again. Check the system tray tool again, it says everything's up to date ^. Then i find another update tool hidden through the menus - check the system with that, it finds another ~200 mb of updates. HMM. Fishy.. So i update the system again and restart.. again. No particular problems after that except for minor kde bugs and some system slowdowns. It felt like OpenSUSE is actually slower than Vista (not sure if it was OpenSUSE's fault or KDE's fault) but anyway, after a few hours i decided i hate kde and its time to move on to the next distribution.

Next day - Ubuntu. This really is a great distribution. Fast boot times, no slowdowns, no problems AT ALL. Everything works. After about ~2 hours i had the system updated, latest drivers and all the applications installed and all i did was click click click click. I dont think i ever touched the terminal. At least not until i tried installing Maya. Maya comes in rpm's, ubuntu has deb's and some little convertion utility to convert those rpm's into deb's called Alien. After about ~3-4 hours of failed googleling trying to get that tool to work and convert me some Maya into deb i finnaly found the solution. Just treat those rpm's as regular archives and extract the content with Archive Manager. How dumb was that? I mean how dumb was I ? FUUU Alien i dont need you. So i installed Maya, got to know how libraries dependencies work, installed the required libraries, symlinked my new versions of libraries with the old versions required by Maya and voila, Maya works! That took a couple of hours (mostly googleling). After 10 minutes i get Mudbox to work as well! So proud Very Happy But something was wrong. All i did was click click click. After a day of Ubuntu it felt like using Windows. What now? I know! Move on to the next distribution.

Next day - Debian stable. Erm.. This was one wasted day. This distribution is identical to Ubuntu! Of course it's not, but a newbie like me couldnt tell one single difference between them. Except for the slightly older packages and kernel versions. Had a problem with Debian though. My network connection kept disconnecting every 5 minutes. Such an annoyance. Time to move on. Not because i'm too lazy to try and find a solution. But because i wasnt gonna end up using this distribution anyway so whats the point.

Next day - ..........Slackware! woot! Installing all my apps, getting everything to work, including Maya and Mudbox, such fun! Actually on this distribution i skiped the -installing Maya dependencies- part and the program still started with no errors! Fun fun fun distro to work it. Except a few things.
- I checked "install everything" in Slackware installation and ended up with tons of applications wich ment either hardcore uninstalling of programs or a new installation.
- KDE - really Slackware? no official gnome support? sucks
- and the biggest problem - my network connection kept disconnecting every 5 minutes. Same as with Debian. What the ...?

Next day - stopping point - Arch Linux. I'm using it right now and i'm gonna stick with it. But i got some questions (yes, i know, no one's gonna answer) My network connection keeps disconnecting, this time randomly. Every ~5 minutes while i'm downloading, every 10 minutes while i'm browsing, and every hour if i'm not doing anything. What can i do?


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 16:09    Post subject:
Open up a shell when you notice it happen and "tail -100 /var/log/messages" can paste that in here if you want, should contain some information on the drops.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 16:31    Post subject:
What are you doing in Maya? Smile And maybe you just need a fresh Windows installation and see how Maya performs then?


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 16:33    Post subject:
I've personally never run the Linux version of Maya either, i'd suggest windows for 3D as well so you can get Zbrush/Mudbox on there as well without wine
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 16:40    Post subject:
Nah, Windows installation was fresh, and many of those problems are reported by others as well - mostly for 32bit versions of Windows you cant do certain things. Like for example you can not render at 1080HD in Windows7x86. It crashes every time. Or if you have a highly detailed object (not scene) and zoom in and out like a crazy man, maya will freeze. Or if you try to duplicate a high detailed object - crash.
I know most of these problems are gone if using Windows7x64 but i also wanted to see if it runs smoother in Linux. Cant say yet, i've waisted one week installing and uninstalling distros and i'm still not done with that Smile
Edit: They've released Mudbox for linux this year, no need for wine Razz


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 16:46    Post subject:
Ahh well..when ya get the linux stuff sorted out lemme know how maya runs Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 17:09    Post subject:
I'm fiddling with ubuntu these days myself ^^ I'm trying to use ssh and proxy so that I could access the base of scientific articles that my uni has access to Smile


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 17:12    Post subject:
mayax64 works very well in windows 7 I have no crashes with it at all, infact dont think i ever had crashes in maya..
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 17:17    Post subject:
Same, Maya 2011 x64 is beautiful and runs great
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 05:37    Post subject:
Here's the log
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Btw the disconnects last for ~1 second. On slack or debian they lasted ~5 seconds. No disconnects on Ubuntu except when runing qBitTorrent - that application would reset my router every.. ~5 mintues ! weird stuff..


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 06:13    Post subject:
yey! adding dhcpcd eth0 --nohook mtu to dhcpcd worked!
here's the log now
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looks good to me Very Happy thank you sir


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 06:26    Post subject:
Looks very clean, let us know if you need any other help sir,

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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 07:20    Post subject:
nop, spoked too soon, still droping like before Sad


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 07:31    Post subject:
I've never used ArchLinux but it seems to be a common problem, I'd personally Suggest Fedora and turn off SELinux, Honestly, who's gonna hack your home computer?

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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 10:02    Post subject:
I got it working i think, i've installed wicd, replaced "network" daemon with "wicd" and so far so good:D I had a few more questions about Arch but i forgot them Very Happy Will continue to post my linux progress, if any, in this thread Smile
Edit: just installing wicd doesnt actually fix the problem, but it allows you to change (via a GUI!!!Very Happy) between different DHCP clients (dhcpcd, pump, dhclient and udhcpc). Installing and switching to pump from wicd fixed it Razz


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 10:08    Post subject:
Good to hear, I'll help as much as possible if I can sir Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 11:33    Post subject:
I have three computers, 2 notebooks and one desktop. All are via wireless network with a zyxel router connected (AES WPA2).

One laptop is my lenovo T60 work laptop, the other one is my private Compal notebook (Windows 7 Professional, Gigabit Wireless pciexpress with atheros chipset) and my desktop pc has windows 7 x64 professional and a tp link wireless pci 54mbit card (i think atheros too).

I don't game with my work laptop so I never experienced any dropping wireless lan there.

But it seems as if my desktop pc is having more problems with online gaming than my laptop and I lose connection for 4-5 seconds (wireless drops and card automatically reconnects). With my USB wireless (netgear) I had the same problem but the reconnection to the router would take from 5 seconds to a restart :/

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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 11:34    Post subject:
Could be IP conflict, try setting them up with static local Ips
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 12:13    Post subject:
you think the dhcp of my router is getting confused?


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 12:16    Post subject:
change wifi channel, if that is even possible
if that won't help your zyxel may be simply crappy, get an tplink or linksys which u can flash with ddwrt so u can have all kinda settings to tune
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 12:35    Post subject:
Getting a new router is an option, but yeah I think with 3 computers you may awnna try setting up static IPs on them to see if it helps first, worth a go. Just set them to stat 101/102/103 or whereever you have your local Ips starting. I know once 4 are connecting to my Linksys it'll sometimes IP conflict.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 16:01    Post subject:
Spazmotic wrote:
Ahh well..when ya get the linux stuff sorted out lemme know how maya runs Smile

Omg it crashed. While middle-mouse dragging some color from the hypershade to some low poly mesh. In the suposedly much more stable linux x64. AAAAAArrrghhhhh !!


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 18:18    Post subject:
Lammee.. Which year you using?
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 18:44    Post subject:
2011 ! with service pack 1 ! Smile .... Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 18:58    Post subject:
As much as I love Nix, it's so hard to tell what may of gone wrong, Maya very well could be stable, but one of the 10 million libraries it's loading may be fubar. Did you have any issues with it up until hypershade? I'd say pop her open again and start applying textures out the ass, see if that's where a problem lies.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 19:16    Post subject:
Vikerness what are you doing with maya mate? Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 19:25    Post subject:
Well I spent my last week with fucking OpenBSD kernel IPSO6 (bought from Nokia), and let me fucking be clear about this shit - COMPILING ON UNIX IS A FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS! CONFIGURE; GMAKE; GMAKE INSTALL; GMAKE EXPORT; DEPENDENCIES; ENVIRONMENTAL VARIABLES; BASH; CSH; TCSH; SH; Mad Mad Mad

Other than that Laughing I had some time to check Ubuntu 10.10 and Kubuntu 10.10. Not sure why, but I'm starting to dislike (borderline hate) more and more. Neutral It lacks that charm that other distros have.


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 19:29    Post subject:
Thanks to Yum repositories, don't think i've compiled more than 5 applications in the last 2 years, and that's including on my shared hosting servers lol
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 19:29    Post subject:
Spazmotic wrote:
As much as I love Nix, it's so hard to tell what may of gone wrong, Maya very well could be stable, but one of the 10 million libraries it's loading may be fubar.
Yep, exactly, another crash i had when trying to open jpgs, maya kept complaining about broken jpgs ?! Had to convert them to tga..
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Vikerness what are you doing with maya mate? Smile

Nothing serious dont worry^, got about 95gigs of tutorials and i'm trying to go through them all Smile Just finished Digital Tutors - Motorcycle Modeling Techniques
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