Video card choice
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nightfox




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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 14:00    Post subject: Video card choice
So i decided to change the vga of my pc which is prety old and im confused about the card choice.
Atm my pc is : DUO e6750 at 2,66ghz (stock)
2gb ram 800mhz
Asus 8800gts 320
Gigabyte GA-n650sli-ds4
power supply 600w
i was thinking of buying Nvidia gtx 260 or smth like that so my question is the card gonna work alright with this kinda old processor and ram and if not whats my best choice of VGA with my current config.
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Paintface




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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 14:38    Post subject:
get the Saphire 5770 vapor x, and your hardware is alright if you bring that CPU to 3ghz.
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 14:41    Post subject:
Are you willing to overclock the CPU? If so, just overclock it and you're fine. Games don't care about quadcore CPU's, there's literally only a handful that do. All the others are fine with a 3GHz+ dual core CPU.

As for the videocard: GTX 260 is old and obsolete mate, don't buy one of them Very Happy

What's your budget?

Good choices atm:
- ATI HD5770 if you're on a budget, these can be found for around 130 euros for the 1GB version
- NVIDIA GTX460 for the best mid-range card, around 180-190 euros at shops that have it in stock
- ATI HD5870 for a higher-end card, around 350 euros - alternatively, get 2 NVIDIA GTX 460's in SLI for 360-380 euros.
- ATI HD5970 for the absolute best single-card performance, around 570 euros

NVIDIA's GTX 465, 470 and 480 all have terrible price-performance compared to ATI's counterparts and even to NVIDIA's own GTX 460. All the cards mentioned above can easily run on that 600W PSU; I'm running a 5870 on a 550W PSU and I'm not even getting half load on the PSU.
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Aeon




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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 15:01    Post subject:
As an Nvidia fanboy I say, go for the GTX460 Wink


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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 15:12    Post subject:
Get HD5770 and extra 2gb of ram and that should guarantee a decent performance @ 1680x1050 res Smile


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Paintface




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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 15:17    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
Get HD5770 and extra 2gb of ram and that should guarantee a decent performance @ 1680x1050 res Smile


i think its better to get a 5770 which he can use in next rig and save the money for that , might as well buy a 4GB set once he upgrades and needs to buy DDR3
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 16:07    Post subject:
It's almost exactly the same setup I had before I upgraded... I had a E6750 with 8800gts 320...

This CPU should be fine with a good card even with stock clocks - I had it with 5870 for some time and it could handle almost everything. It was still slightly CPU limited in certain games in my case, so some games will feel smoother with a better CPU. But this is in limited cases (BC2 and Metro 2033 benefited the most), so you can easily hold off on the CPU upgrade until you have the budget for it. If you won't go for a high end card you might not be CPU limited at all.

Also I overclocked this CPU to 3,2 GHz with no issues, you might get a bump in performance in more CPU hungry games, but it didn't matter much in my case. I don't know if it's because it's a dual or because it's an older dual (E8000 series might handle it better)...

So overall, you can get as fast a card as you want and then upgrade the CPU some time later. Although it might depend on what games you intend to play Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 16:58    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
(BC2 and Metro 2033 benefited the most)

Read: TWIMTBP titles with PhysX that doesn't seem to do much besides hogging CPU power Wink

MinderMast wrote:
Also I overclocked this CPU to 3,2 GHz with no issues, you might get a bump in performance in more CPU hungry games, but it didn't matter much in my case. I don't know if it's because it's a dual or because it's an older dual (E8000 series might handle it better)...

It should have bumped your minimum framerates up a bit. Not the maximum, but the minimum, meaning it would stutter less Smile

nightfox needs to tell us his resolution and budget though *SUBTLE HINT NIGHTFOX* Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 16:58    Post subject:
Paintface wrote:
dingo_d wrote:
Get HD5770 and extra 2gb of ram and that should guarantee a decent performance @ 1680x1050 res Smile


i think its better to get a 5770 which he can use in next rig and save the money for that , might as well buy a 4GB set once he upgrades and needs to buy DDR3


Right, totally didn't see the 800Mhz mem :\ my bad Very Happy


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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 17:57    Post subject:
pwerelds wrote:

It should have bumped your minimum framerates up a bit. Not the maximum, but the minimum, meaning it would stutter less Smile

It did smooth out BC2 a little, but not enough to make a difference for me in the end - since I had a high end card, I thought it was a waste leaving it so limited and I got a quad. It was a better CPU by itself as well though, so I can't really claim that it was just the 2 extra cores that made all the difference.
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nightfox




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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Jul 2010 00:12    Post subject:
well thx for the answers guys.Seems to me ,considering my budget, that gtx460 is the best choice atm.
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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Jul 2010 10:29    Post subject:
Fine choice mate, just overclock that CPU a little bit, can probably hit 3.0 - 3.2 GHz on stock cooling without any problems Smile
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 02:45    Post subject:
I run everything at max graphics at 1920x1200 hardly ever notice any drop in frame rate ...

[Edit: I can't remember the last time I noticed I couldn't run a game at max at my native rez]
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 10:14    Post subject:
Ci2e wrote:
I run everything at max graphics at 1920x1200 hardly ever notice any drop in frame rate ...

[Edit: I can't remember the last time I noticed I couldn't run a game at max at my native rez]


The same here ^^ Altho I haven't played Crysis (yet) and GTAIV (not gonna grinhurt) Laughing


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 10:33    Post subject:
Try Arma 2 then. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 10:53    Post subject:
Ci2e wrote:
I run everything at max graphics at 1920x1200 hardly ever notice any drop in frame rate ...

[Edit: I can't remember the last time I noticed I couldn't run a game at max at my native rez]


HAH! Go play Metro 2033, STALKER-CoP, GTA4, ArmaII, Cryostasis or Crysis... then come back and say that Laughing
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Ci2e




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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 11:51    Post subject:
For me to want to do that I'd have to want to play those games, and even if they don't run without a hiccup just means poor design choices on the developers part...

As in polygon count per enemy and how they manage those enemies appear on screen. Any game maker can make the bad guys look awesome by giving them a high polygon count, but not everyone can balance their use of those baddies...

One day which will be never will developers have the resources to create whatever their heart desires without worrying about the end user hardware. Well it certainly isn't going to happen anytime soon...
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Aug 2010 12:43    Post subject:
You do realise that none of those games fully utilise a PC right?

Not even Crysis gets 100% GPU and CPU usage. A title like Metro wastes a lot of resources on PhysX, especially on non-NVIDIA systems because PhysX is such a poorly programmed piece of shit. Out of all those titles, it's probably COP and Crysis that make the best use of the hardware you have, but neither really fully utilises it.
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nightfox




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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 11:35    Post subject:
whats the best brand for the gtx460 btw
-gigabyte-768mb
-palit 1gb sonic
or palit 1gb sonic platinium i heard that the palit ones are having some overheating problembs cuz of a missing heatsink
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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Aug 2010 12:41    Post subject:
You'll want a 1GB version, besides that brand doesn't really matter. As for the Palit thing, they did remove the heatsink from the VRM's for the sales version, but as far as I know it doesn't actually overheat so.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 00:52    Post subject:
best brand = eVga


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 01:16    Post subject:
upstart_69 wrote:
best brand = eVga


Why? I mean, if you say it's the best brand you have to specify WHY evga is the best. Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 01:18    Post subject:
I can name one reason why EVGA is the best; their step-up program ^_^
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 12:17    Post subject:
Yeah, but for Europe their choices to step up to are still limited as hell Sad
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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 13:29    Post subject:
I love my XFX. Great bundle and really cool card (temp vise)...


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 13:33    Post subject:
XFX are actually my favourite vendor, but they don't offer a step-up program ... which is a crying shame.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 16:38    Post subject:
what's that? step up thing?


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 16:44    Post subject:
Basically EVGA offer you the chance to get one of their later cards/boards by sending your existing one and only paying the difference in price.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 17:13    Post subject:
That's pretty cool, shame the only choices right now are a 9500gt or a gtx480/470 or a GTS250.


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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Aug 2010 18:48    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Basically EVGA offer you the chance to get one of their later cards/boards by sending your existing one and only paying the difference in price.


Wow, cool ^^

Here you can only get new stuff with the price difference if you get your old stuff broken. And only if it's under warranty...


"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.

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