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| sabin1981 wrote: | Everything since the Enix merger happened has been shite. Dumbed down, mass produced, shite. The last truly great FF title was X. Let's all just have a moment to mourn the passing of the decent Squaresoft RPG.
Still, as I've said multiple times, it's going to be a completely linear A-to-B story and I'm going to try and enjoy it as such. It's just a shame those with small attention spans seem to outnumber us now, and while we can expect more of this crap in the future; there is always emulation of the true classics! ^_^ |
I'll say it again, I don't get the hate that XII gets, I enjoyed it, flame as much as you like.
One thing I'd like to add is am I one of the few people who realize that every FF since 7 was different from it's predecessor?
You might call it "dumbed down" or streamlined but to met it's a sign of evolution. Granted, not a sign of _good_ evolution but I'd rather have differences in the games than really get 347234 times Pi the same game over and over again with little to no changes in gameplay.
I like to look at it that way: At least they're trying new things.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 18:57 Post subject: |
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| WHEATTHlNS wrote: | Interesting that Demon Souls was mentioned - other than the novelty of that game it was 100% linear; no towns, no npc interaction, little story to speak of. . .just kill demons in each stage of the game, reach a locked point, and go kill demons in another stage of of another kingdom.
Final Fantasy has been linear for like ever. All they've done is strip out the world maps and any pretense to choice in the game. If the game is still fun and has interesting encounters like FFXII (which was the first FF to finally grow the fuck up) then I'm all over it. |
That's a very good point, Demon Souls was linear and yet an awesome game, so maybe the negative comments from Japan should be taken with a pinch of salt and lets keep our hopes for FF 13. |
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:00 Post subject: |
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Threads confused?
| sabin1981 wrote: | | wgem wrote: | | part of what made FF so great was the amazing linear story. Same with Half Life. Games can still be great + linear.. |
This.
If people are bitching and whining about "linearity" in a jRPG, then I recommend they should stick to PC-RPGs instead - like MMOs and other sprawling epics-that-never-end. jRPGs are about the story and the progression - and the linearity is good! ^_^ |
That was in THIS thread. Want some more?
| sabin1981 wrote: | Final Fantasy XIII's lack of towns due to the effort required to make HD areas.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177829
Joy. So I guess we can expect more "streamlined" bullshit because developers are lazy. |
SAME THREAD.
Then were umpteen posts after that (including one from YOU) with people pissing in my face because I made an observation and, unlike the majority of posters on here, backed it with the EXACT article I was talking about.
A few days passes and lo and behold! Master Twofaced pretty much does a copy/pasta of my OWN argument, this time citing another source (White Knight Chronicles) as an example that sprawling RPGs + HD graphics can go together. So what... it's fine for you but not for me? No, fuck that bullshit. I every right to my own opinion as much as you have, and what I said wasn't even an opinion! It was an observation! I didn't lie or twist the truth, I linked to an article where SE themselves said it was too difficult to make the same exploration-rich RPGs that they've made in the past whilst using current generation graphics.
That is LAZINESS. It's entirely possible (proven by games like Lost Odyssey/Last Remnant/White Knight Chronicles) they just chose not to for the sake of moar bloom!11
So yeah, don't tell me to calm down after giving me shit over something you later turn around and parrot yourself. That just ain't cool.
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twobells
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:05 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Threads confused?
| sabin1981 wrote: | | wgem wrote: | | part of what made FF so great was the amazing linear story. Same with Half Life. Games can still be great + linear.. |
This.
If people are bitching and whining about "linearity" in a jRPG, then I recommend they should stick to PC-RPGs instead - like MMOs and other sprawling epics-that-never-end. jRPGs are about the story and the progression - and the linearity is good! ^_^ |
That was in THIS thread. Want some more?
| sabin1981 wrote: | Final Fantasy XIII's lack of towns due to the effort required to make HD areas.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177829
Joy. So I guess we can expect more "streamlined" bullshit because developers are lazy. |
SAME THREAD.
Then were umpteen posts after that (including one from YOU) with people pissing in my face because I made an observation and, unlike the majority of posters on here, backed it with the EXACT article I was talking about.
A few days passes and lo and behold! Master Twofaced pretty much does a copy/pasta of my OWN argument, this time citing another source (White Knight Chronicles) as an example that sprawling RPGs + HD graphics can go together. So what... it's fine for you but not for me? No, fuck that bullshit. I every right to my own opinion as much as you have, and what I said wasn't even an opinion! It was an observation! I didn't lie or twist the truth, I linked to an article where SE themselves said it was too difficult to make the same exploration-rich RPGs that they've made in the past whilst using current generation graphics.
That is LAZINESS. It's entirely possible (proven by games like Lost Odyssey/Last Remnant/White Knight Chronicles) they just chose not to for the sake of moar bloom!11
So yeah, don't tell me to calm down after giving me shit over something you later turn around and parrot yourself. That just ain't cool. |
You're all mixed up, you accused me of 'starting it', well you;re wrong and I want an apology, this is where you start ranting on about linearity in FFXIII:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46799&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=240
It had NOTHING to do with me.
| Quote: | | Joy. So I guess we can expect more "streamlined" bullshit because developers are lazy. |
Your talking such bullshit now, stop before you make a complete idiot of yourself.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:07 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You STARTED the whole shit in the first place, then did a full 360 when you realised, shock and horror, that I was actually making a valid point! |
THat would be a 180.
| Quote: | | It's constant with all of you, you're entitled to your own opinion - but as soon as Sabin makes one, quick!! let's all insult and attack him! |
Because you do it so poorly:
| Quote: | | Ell oh Ell. Well there's SE's target market then, those that enjoyed the fucking TRAVESTY of XII. FF only started getting linear with FFX, though even that had some exploration. Shit, even the god-awful XII had more freedom in it. Hey, if since FFX is "like for ever, like, derp!" then I guess we know certain ages now. |
Yea. . .FLUMMOXED as to why you get the heat that you do. . .just flummoxed.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:09 Post subject: |
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| twobells wrote: |
Sabin what's up with you at the moment?
You're talking rubbish again, all good rpgs depend on story, it's at the very heart of what makes them a rpg.
Story, great combat mechanics, item design and npc interaction.
You sure you aren't looking back with rose coloured glasses on the games of our youth? |
Guess I must have misread that, hmm? Guess that quote doesn't exist.... damn, I guess I'm wrong. Master Twofaced was completely correct, he never once said anything to me and vigorously defended me when I said SE were just being lazy.
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| Quote: | | Joy. So I guess we can expect more "streamlined" bullshit because developers are lazy. |
Your talking such bullshit now, stop before you make a complete idiot of yourself. |
DERP!!!
| twobells wrote: | | yet we read that due to the inherent nature of 'HD' its 'impossible' to create a free-roaming 3D world, yet I have seen just that in White Knight Chronicles, so which is it bad/lazy design or 'HD' is just too much work? |
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As for Sabin jumping in that's even sadder especially as I defended him during his meltdown. |
Awesome defence. Loved it! Pfft, I'm done. I can see I'm wasting my time because all I'm doing right now is just giving you people even more chances to attack me. I'll play the game, but that doesn't mean I have to agree or like the design decisions made, nor how they've affected the end product for the sake of appeasing the graphics whore CUNTS ruining gaming these days.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:13 Post subject: |
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[bangs head against the wall]
I set aside my initial impressions you were an idiot until today.
What a terrible waste of an hour of gaming time.........
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:19 Post subject: |
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Well that makes two of then, because all respect I had for you vanished as soon as you made this post;
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1157926#1157926
basically copy/pasting exactly what I had said before, only this time it was fine for you but somehow I was in the wrong when I said it, right? Least you're showing your true colours now.
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twobells
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:22 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Well that makes two of then, because all respect I had for you vanished as soon as you made this post;
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1157926#1157926
basically copy/pasting exactly what I had said before, only this time it was fine for you but somehow I was in the wrong when I said it, right? Least you're showing your true colours now. |
[bangs head against the wall]
How do my fears over an article somehow become pasting your rants?
You're an IDIOT.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:23 Post subject: |
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so what the hell is going on here?
can't find the final fantasy 13 thread in all this bullshit.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 19:45 Post subject: |
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Man you guys bumped this thread two pages on bickering and arguing. I woke up saw the two page bump from last night and thought for sure there was a release. The mods should create a gladiator forum where people who want to spam each other arguing over a forum can do so without impacting the casual forum readers.
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 20:01 Post subject: |
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this thread is so cliché-y it's not even funny
anyway, has anyone cooked up a recipe to play it w/o disc changing on a jtaged console yet? loved it in mass effect 2, shouldn't be a problem here either, right?
..it really tied the room together
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 20:20 Post subject: |
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LOL Casual reader like myself,who pops in from time to time to see whats crackin with anticipated releases. It just seems like there should be a better place for the arguments , AND of course there are people here who have a problem with me commenting on that lol .
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 22:03 Post subject: |
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My apologies The_Keltz, didn't mean to start off a huge - and patently off topic - discussion. My apologies to everyone else too, especially Twobells and WHEATTHlNS.
I'm not apologising to Reklis though... dude, really? FFXII? 
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Feb 2010 22:25 Post subject: |
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LoL apologies not needed man. I was just bummed like I said I thought it was release day lol I actually found it kindda humorous that there was that much arguing lol no worries.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 00:32 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 00:46 Post subject: |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | | I think I m gonna cry... |
Don't you mean 'cwy'. 
ps: 26 on mygamercard.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 00:55 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 01:26 Post subject: |
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I dont get the 12 hate, I always felt 12 was the next logical evolution in the series and was a great game, in fact prolly my fav after 6.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 02:02 Post subject: |
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The story in 12 wasnt as melodramatic and ridiculous as in 10, and thats exactly why I loved 12 and hated 10; imo it was the game that made me feel like the series was growing up.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 03:08 Post subject: |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | | The story in 12 wasnt as melodramatic and ridiculous as in 10, and thats exactly why I loved 12 and hated 10; imo it was the game that made me feel like the series was growing up. |
Exactly. The removal of the world map, and the idea of tactics was something that I wasn't on board with, at first, but when I started playing it - sold. The story was just awesome, and come on, who didn't like Larsa with his uber-heal! The lil kid was awesome. Favorite fight was definitely against that bullshit dragon in the forest - forget exactly his name and the name of the map - but when I got there I thought "Oh what the shit!" If FFXIII is "more of the same, but streamlined" - I'm cool with that. I'd rather have a dedication to a vision done right, than Square trying to shoehorn certain gameplay tactics into a game just to appease traditionalists.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 06:52 Post subject: |
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yeah FF12 is great but so is FFX too
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Feb 2010 09:37 Post subject: |
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I hated XII.
Last good one was X, when it was Squaresoft.
If XIII turns out to be shite, I will just give the series a miss when 14 arrives
However forgetting the liner / non-liner argument, I will say XIII looks good, so I am just awaiting the 9th to pick up my pre-order 
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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