[XBOX360] Anyone been banned from live lately?
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Nailbiter
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 11:28    Post subject:
killabyte wrote:
what is so hard to understand about how they ban? if they flag your console, it's banned. doesn't matter if you wait 4 days or 400 days, you will not be able to connect to live ever again. it's not that you "get banned" when you try to connect during a ban wave, it's that you are notified that you were banned. i guess it's also at that point they alter that nand chip or whatever it is that "breaks" your hard drive functionality.



As I already stated in another thread we do know when the ban wave for this time stop. The last time m$ checks is sunday at 18:00.

That´s what I meant with four more days.

They have been doing their sweeps for 2 weeks on sunday. Same time every day.

We might not know how they catch us, but at least we know when. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 11:40    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
killabyte wrote:
what is so hard to understand about how they ban? if they flag your console, it's banned. doesn't matter if you wait 4 days or 400 days, you will not be able to connect to live ever again. it's not that you "get banned" when you try to connect during a ban wave, it's that you are notified that you were banned. i guess it's also at that point they alter that nand chip or whatever it is that "breaks" your hard drive functionality.



As I already stated in another thread we do know when the ban wave for this time stop. The last time m$ checks is sunday at 18:00.

That´s what I meant with four more days.

They have been doing their sweeps for 2 weeks on sunday. Same time every day.

We might not know how they catch us, but at least we know when. Razz


So what you're saying is, that after Sunday, it COULD be safe to flash an unflashed console and play on Live again?


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 11:51    Post subject:
Yes yes flash it and play online. It's safe
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 15:27    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
I already stated in another thread we do know when the ban wave for this time stop. The last time m$ checks is sunday at 18:00.

That´s what I meant with four more days.

They have been doing their sweeps for 2 weeks on sunday. Same time every day.

We might not know how they catch us, but at least we know when. Razz



cool, where's that at i wanna read up on it. is it in the ixtreme thread?
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 16:51    Post subject:
This is from a guy from my site, kind of good news for those who got wrongfully banned

UPDATE ON MY BANNED LEGIT/UNMODDED CONSOLE

Got mine back today after they banned my legit console (and I sent it in),

They have apologised repeatedly and given me :
5000 m$p, a new controller, 3 reasonably new games, and 1 years subscription to xbox live.
(Oh and a new/refurb console luckily dated June 09 ... but I am returning it to them to have mine sent back to me ...
I want my new one back, not some shitty refurb bullshit)
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Grale
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 17:24    Post subject:
Mmm wrongfully banned ehh... how can they make an error? does this mean their detection methods are not 100% or they just banned the wrong console?


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 18:04    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
killabyte wrote:
what is so hard to understand about how they ban? if they flag your console, it's banned. doesn't matter if you wait 4 days or 400 days, you will not be able to connect to live ever again. it's not that you "get banned" when you try to connect during a ban wave, it's that you are notified that you were banned. i guess it's also at that point they alter that nand chip or whatever it is that "breaks" your hard drive functionality.



As I already stated in another thread we do know when the ban wave for this time stop. The last time m$ checks is sunday at 18:00.

That´s what I meant with four more days.

They have been doing their sweeps for 2 weeks on sunday. Same time every day.

We might not know how they catch us, but at least we know when. Razz


I thought that people were being banned at different times of the day. As far as I'm aware it's been happening around the cloock, not just at 6PM or any other hour for that matter.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 18:15    Post subject:
Grale wrote:
Mmm wrongfully banned ehh... how can they make an error? does this mean their detection methods are not 100% or they just banned the wrong console?

Either guy is making it up or they just made a human error. When you have to ban 1 million pirates shit can happen.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 18:28    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:
Grale wrote:
Mmm wrongfully banned ehh... how can they make an error? does this mean their detection methods are not 100% or they just banned the wrong console?

Either guy is making it up or they just made a human error. When you have to ban 1 million pirates shit can happen.


Guy is not making it up, he was a staff on my site and what he said is true. Lot of poeple got banned on unmodded console. Poeple who played legit Forza early on unmodded 360 got banned also
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 18:33    Post subject:
Kommando wrote:
Glottis wrote:
Grale wrote:
Mmm wrongfully banned ehh... how can they make an error? does this mean their detection methods are not 100% or they just banned the wrong console?

Either guy is making it up or they just made a human error. When you have to ban 1 million pirates shit can happen.


Guy is not making it up, he was a staff on my site and what he said is true. Lot of poeple got banned on unmodded console. Poeple who played legit Forza early on unmodded 360 got banned also


lol, that doesnt suprise me, m$ went berserk with bannings.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 18:55    Post subject:
Well i'm also banned now, i'm not complaining i've had a good run for my money... you know i have my suspicions about forza3. when i first booted it up, it stuttered like a bitch when it played the intro movie, but then never did it again. i use the same media and program for burning that i always have for years and never had a ban, so maybe there detecting the stuttering!
Or they can actually detect some kind of feedback from the new firmware!

Now i'm of to see if i can go back to an earlier firmware so i can boot any game on my liteon without the boot disc..

EDIT: fuck it i'll just patch my games with wavepatcher, nice to be able not to worry about proper rips and pre releases ect... Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 18:56    Post subject:
is there a way to re-enable media center functionnality ?
like pluging a new hard drive


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 19:30    Post subject:
unbanning? - for fuck sakes that can only mean one thing, MS cant detect a mod console, as I stated before Wink

I feel that what they are doing - they have some statistics system which in 95% (or 99) of banned times is correct:
1) jitter glitch - flag (might be mod might be old laser)
2) playing game pre release - flag might be early delivery or scene release (as well as timing with PRE of scene release might be important)
3) bad rips/fixs played - instant ban flag
4) friends being flagged and/or banned according to previous criterias - flag
.....
I believe that there is plenty more criteria they could use, then just run some regressions against criteria being banned, or flagged for instant ban, and getting the magic formula out.

and here you have 95 (or 99) proof system of banning

statistics actually are very powerful....


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 20:59    Post subject:
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Mr_Baggins




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 21:06    Post subject:
Actually, the law entitles you to make a copy of software. I bet if someone would bother to sue these microsoft fucks, they'll win big.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 21:43    Post subject:
Mr_Baggins wrote:
Actually, the law entitles you to make a copy of software. I bet if someone would bother to sue these microsoft fucks, they'll win big.

You can make your copy. It'll work on the banned console too, no problems.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 22:22    Post subject:
KrutojPoc wrote:
Mr_Baggins wrote:
Actually, the law entitles you to make a copy of software. I bet if someone would bother to sue these microsoft fucks, they'll win big.

You can make your copy. It'll work on the banned console too, no problems.


If they damage your console - because banning it and disabling the HDD install is in fact illegal damage of property - because of using backups they commit a tort. It is your console, you bought it and the microsoft fuckers have no right to do ANYTHING with it without your consent.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 22:27    Post subject:
Is there any SAFE way to check if console is banned ?
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 22:39    Post subject:
Pompeius wrote:
Is there any SAFE way to check if console is banned ?

No, there isn't. There is one "half safe" way. If you remove hdd and do connectivity test and find that you are banned your console will lose install features but your hdd won't be corrupt and you can move it to another console. That's about it.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 22:58    Post subject:
Mr_Baggins wrote:
KrutojPoc wrote:
Mr_Baggins wrote:
Actually, the law entitles you to make a copy of software. I bet if someone would bother to sue these microsoft fucks, they'll win big.

You can make your copy. It'll work on the banned console too, no problems.


If they damage your console - because banning it and disabling the HDD install is in fact illegal damage of property - because of using backups they commit a tort. It is your console, you bought it and the microsoft fuckers have no right to do ANYTHING with it without your consent.


Live is just a service MS provides. MS can cancel this service for anyone who doesn't play by their rules. Your games still work fine and your hardware is intact.
HDD install is an added feature, MS added it in one of their updates and they can just disable it for everyone in the next update if they feel so.Your games still work fine without it and your hardware is intact.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 23:05    Post subject:
I can't imagine the majorities of those folks who were banned really care all that much. I can't even remember the last time I went online with my console. Borderlands, and that's about it. I mean I guess if you were REALLY looking forward to playing Modern Warfare 2. Other than that, really was it that much of a blow?


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 23:07    Post subject:
If I format my banned hard drive, can I use it on a new unbanned console?


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 23:08    Post subject:
considering that i save so much every time i leech the game, i srsly couldn't give a flying fuko
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Nov 2009 23:11    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
considering that i save so much every time i leech the game, i srsly couldn't give a flying fuko


No kidding. In any case I'm thinking of the games that are coming out, and not a single one has a MP component that will have me running to find a non-banned modded console.


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009 00:10    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:



As I already stated in another thread we do know when the ban wave for this time stop. The last time m$ checks is sunday at 18:00.

That´s what I meant with four more days.

They have been doing their sweeps for 2 weeks on sunday. Same time every day.

We might not know how they catch us, but at least we know when. Razz


RMFX wrote:
I thought that people were being banned at different times of the day. As far as I'm aware it's been happening around the cloock, not just at 6PM or any other hour for that matter.


Well this info is mainly for sweden. Don´t know if other countries do it during this hour. Also it might be possible that they catch during that time and next time you login, anytime like next day or something, then you notice that you are banned. So it seems that you are banned during different hours. Just guessing.
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009 00:17    Post subject:
_SiN_ wrote:


So what you're saying is, that after Sunday, it COULD be safe to flash an unflashed console and play on Live again?


My guess is yes. Until next sweep. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009 00:57    Post subject:
the big shiny banhammer hit me about 20 mins ago - playing mw2 campaign , pressed eject then it kicked me off live and gave me the terms of service message ...
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009 01:02    Post subject:
MS can detect modified firmwares again..this is whats happening. I know a few guys that modded their box..and let it sit for a while to see if it would get banned and they did..both of them with never having played a backup

I was saying this before that the new update was gonna add some sort of new firmware detection and a few people called me an idiot for even suggesting something like that..well as you see..its true and xboxscene will be making an announcement on this soon on their front news page, mark my words
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009 05:46    Post subject:
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This is what i do. I am an Xbox Live checks manager and I am the guy who helps run through the data being sent to Xbox Live that has been flagged for banning and was also discussed a very long time ago of what will "bring down all modified Xboxs"

I myself have an Cbox that has been modified because i think it is a crime what they do charging so much when the games don't even cost Microsoft half of what they are getting. Anyway, we have found a way to read the firmware. The NXE update has allowed us to do a check on the current firmware installed on the dvd drive.

The reason this was not flagged was because the code was not active. As you might have heard it was discussed about a "self destruct" code embedded in the NXE update and even before that. This was that code it wasn't a self destruct code but actually a check that was done on all drives.

This check was begun when the update was to "prepare for the last.fm facebook and twitter" this in fact was the code sent out to begin checks on ALL Xboxs.

These checks would send us information on the firmware written to the drive not the exact kind but we did an extensive form of hash check on the drive and could actually find out if it was modified in any way.

This was particularly easy on the lite-on as it was actually manufactured to serve for this purpose as our testing model.

We will not ban all consoles at once and yes all information about you has been collected a long time ago.

We have THOUSANDS of Xboxs reporting bad checks meaning modified firmware. Not all people will be banned and all the bans are done at random times

Multiple checks have been done over this amount of time so we could assure the modified Xboxs were truly modified and not just returning corrupt data.

I am sorry i did not com forward with this information sooner but this information has been critical to the cat and mouse game

This check was also done back in the xtreme days if anyone remembers that when c4eva had to rewrite it to allow the checks to come back clean well this must be done again.

Sorry all for the bannings but it is a natural process and I wish you all luck and hope you do not get banned

If you do await the new firmware that is begin developed and cheers to you all you wanted to know it now you got it."


Taken from another forum, so not sure how reliable this is. Hopefully it isn't true though.
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Nov 2009 15:09    Post subject:
well, there are lots of bannings since the end of October...
today my 2nd box was banned - it's 6 monthes old, NEVER went online (and when i say NEVER i mean NEVER), always played abgx360.net verified releases....fuck you M$...

this just proves no one really knows how MS detects things...


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