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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:42    Post subject:
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KB/M is not a hardware 'limitation'. Consoles can use them just fine...

Are there any peripherals ? Confused
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:49    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
rhagz wrote:
KB/M is not a hardware 'limitation'. Consoles can use them just fine...

Are there any peripherals ? Confused


No, he's just trolling again. PS2 had what? TWO games that had keyb/m support? 360 has zero. PS3 has a handful, if that. DC had four, maybe five.

You can use converter adaptors like the XFPS, but it's not native and developers don't code for that - they code for the ultimately limiting joypad instead.
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:50    Post subject:
You can just plug any old usb keyboard into a ps3 probably the same thing goes for the 360, they just wont work in most games, the games are developed to work with the control pad and the control pad only, there has been a couple of exeptions like unreal tournament but even in that the mouse control was gimped to make sure people using M+K didn't gain an advantage.
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:53    Post subject:
Sabin, just because software doesn't support a peripheral, doesn't mean the hardware doesn't support it. I think this is what he meant. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:54    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Sabin, just because software doesn't support a peripheral, doesn't mean the hardware doesn't support it. I think this is what he meant. Wink


The 360 doesn't support it at all, and only has support for keyboards for use on messaging. The very fact that software doesn't support it MAKES the damned thing a limitation Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:54    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
rhagz wrote:
KB/M is not a hardware 'limitation'. Consoles can use them just fine...

Are there any peripherals ? Confused


They use USB connections...
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:55    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
iNatan wrote:
Sabin, just because software doesn't support a peripheral, doesn't mean the hardware doesn't support it. I think this is what he meant. Wink


The 360 can't at all, it only has support for keyboards for use on messaging. The very fact that software doesn't support it MAKES the damned thing a limitation Rolling Eyes


It makes it a SOFTWARE limitation, not a HARDWARE one..
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:56    Post subject:
And what is the software run on, hmm? A console! Imagine that! So therefore it IS a limitation by not allowing the use of keyboards and mice.

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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:58    Post subject:
No, if there is a USB, there is technically a hardware support. The software doesn't know how to use it. BTW, who cares? Laughing Get back on topic, IW SUCKS!!!111 Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:59    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
No, if there is a USB, there is technically a hardware support. The software doesn't know how to use it. BTW, who cares? Laughing Get back on topic, IW SUCKS!!!111 Laughing


Not on the 360, there is no mouse support whatsoever - on the machine or in the software, which is my very point; it is a limitation. Oh and 360 USB ports function differently to standard ones .. for one, they're locked to read-only.


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 19:59    Post subject:
rhagz wrote:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
rhagz wrote:
KB/M is not a hardware 'limitation'. Consoles can use them just fine...

Are there any peripherals ? Confused


They use USB connections...


that doesn't mean anything. hell, you can plug anything with a usb plug into anything with a usb port, doesn't mean it will work or is supported or anything
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 21:24    Post subject:
rhagz wrote:
KB/M is not a hardware 'limitation'. Consoles can use them just fine...


You need to buy the XFPS Sniper at 100$ for that
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 21:50    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 22:30    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
And what is the software run on, hmm? A console! Imagine that! So therefore it IS a limitation by not allowing the use of keyboards and mice.



Are you seriously this dense?

Do you know what a limitation is? It means it can't be done.

The hardware CAN do it. The programs just aren't coded to do it but they COULD be.

End of story.
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 22:40    Post subject:
Nope, I'm not - but you most obviously are. This will be the very last time I ever reply to one of your posts, because I seriously feel myself dropping IQ points every second I read one of them.

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Definitions of limitation on the Web:

an act of limiting or restricting (as by regulation)

limiting - confining: restricting the scope or freedom of action


Learn more, mate, because it's embarrassing. Microsoft LIMITED the use the of keyboards on the 360 and outright BLOCKED the use of mice (aside from expensive converters which merely translate the analogue stick movements into mouse axis) Whether this was done via hardware, or via software, it is still a limitation of the console.

What VGA said was absolutely correct. Both the lack of keyboard/mouse support and the low player-vs-player count are down to limitations of the console. He never specified HARDWARE, he just said "console limitations" and he was correct. You were not. Troll less, think more.

Keyboard use;

sabin1981 wrote:
and only has support for keyboards for use on messaging.


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This is sad.

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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 22:48    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Nope, I'm not - but you most obviously are. This will be the very last time I ever reply to one of your posts, because I seriously feel myself dropping IQ points every second I read one of them.

Quote:

Definitions of limitation on the Web:

an act of limiting or restricting (as by regulation)

limiting - confining: restricting the scope or freedom of action


Learn more, mate, because it's embarrassing. Microsoft LIMITED the use the of keyboards on the 360 and outright BLOCKED the use of mice (aside from expensive converters which merely translate the analogue stick movements into mouse axis) Whether this was done via hardware, or via software, it is still a limitation of the console.

What VGA said was absolutely correct. Both the lack of keyboard/mouse support and the low player-vs-player count are down to limitations of the console. He never specified HARDWARE, he just said "console limitations" and he was correct. You were not. Troll less, think more.


LOL! Very Happy Nice try at backing out of it. Figured you were too much of a ladyboy to admit you were wrong.

P.S. You can already use a standard USB Keyboard and Mouse in the console Dashboards, and you can even use the KB to enter text when prompted in certain games.

Suck it Trebek!


Thought you had me on ignore anyway, so I guess I can add that to the list of spinelessness as well. Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 22:49    Post subject:
Between the helicopter in flames and the shooting in the alleys I couldn't not think to the MW2 vid of the favelas level...sometime games are quite realistic


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 22:55    Post subject:
rhagz wrote:


P.S. You can already use a standard USB Keyboard and Mouse in the console Dashboards, and you can even use the KB to enter text when prompted in certain games.

Suck it Trebek!


Thats exactly his point, Limitation meaning its limited to text and not actual gameplay. We were talkning about the fact that we cant use KB/Mouse in games. Nothing to do with messaging.
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So. Cancelled my PC pre-order. Pre-ordered for PS3. That's the better choice at the moment, right? I want to play multiplayer without any hassles. PCgaming ftw, ofc. But it looks like this game could be a better experience on consoles


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Oct 2009 23:52    Post subject:
Newty182 wrote:
So. Cancelled my PC pre-order. Pre-ordered for PS3. That's the better choice at the moment, right? I want to play multiplayer without any hassles. PCgaming ftw, ofc. But it looks like this game could be a better experience on consoles


better ? no. The same ... that's whats pissing us off ...
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 00:02    Post subject:
Kommando wrote:

Thats exactly his point, Limitation meaning its limited to text and not actual gameplay. We were talkning about the fact that we cant use KB/Mouse in games. Nothing to do with messaging.


Oh I'm well aware that you can't use them in games, but this is not a 'console limitation', i.e. limited by the console. It's a developer decision not to support it.

Also, on the idea that 8v8 battles is another 'console limitation': www.mag.com. 256 player FPS battles.. on console.

Damn, I need to get a PS3...
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 00:05    Post subject:
Hopefully finish single player by the time i get the PS3 version. Can't wait for that. I have in a way (shamefully, sorry) .. begun thinking about consoles. Sad What have the fuckers done to me. I just wish I could play all the quality games on PC. I have been turned Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 00:06    Post subject:
@Newty

"Quality" and "PC" seem to be rare bedfellows these days, my friend Sad
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 00:15    Post subject:
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Also, on the idea that 8v8 battles is another 'console limitation': www.mag.com. 256 player FPS battles.. on console.

Damn, I need to get a PS3...

MAG is bullshit, it doesn't have more than 5-10 players on screen at once. If you think there will the massive 128v128 battles, think again.


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 00:18    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:
MAG is bullshit, it doesn't have more than 5-10 players on screen at once. If you think there will the massive 128v128 battles, think again.

Now it's time to read. Rolling Eyes

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-mag-factor-article?page=1

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With minimal latency in mind, it can be assumed that the netcode only supplies the player with the core information required to maintain the game world client-side. So what happens when you deliberately aim to overflow the client with colossal amounts of data? What happens if you decide to mass all 256 players in one area? Zipper has it covered.

"From the first day of development it was always assumed that you could, and most certainly would (think group photos), have all 256 players in the same area," says Jason Tartaglia. "MAG is an open environment game; players are not shut off from entering common play spaces. In order to facilitate this, be it design-driven or player-induced, the tech would need to deliver enough performance to handle this worst-case scenario. Toward this goal we benchmarked our progress against 256 automated clients, in a grid, at one metre spacing, and all firing continuously, throughout development. This allowed us to keep a close eye on these potential conditions. Additionally, we used in-house replays of large 256-player battles to profile our code against the most common real-world situations. Players of MAG will not detect any differences from the start of a game to the culminating moments at the centre of a 256-player level with everyone in close proximity."

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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 00:44    Post subject:
Pre-Order canceled. Fuck them . . .


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 01:02    Post subject:
Same, canceled, using the money to preorder Borderlands. woot
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 01:08    Post subject:
vro wrote:
Same, canceled, using the money to preorder Borderlands. woot


So your cancelling a no dedicated server game (that u have a problem with) to buy another of the same? lulzz...
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Oct 2009 01:17    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
Newty182 wrote:
So. Cancelled my PC pre-order. Pre-ordered for PS3. That's the better choice at the moment, right? I want to play multiplayer without any hassles. PCgaming ftw, ofc. But it looks like this game could be a better experience on consoles


better ? no. The same ... that's whats pissing us off ...


Seriously, i feel bad for you guys. Even if i joined the dark side, PC gaming will always be better than console...but now, with MW2, you downgraded to our level and thats fuckin bad.
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