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Surray




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 18:55    Post subject:
30 hours is fine for an rpg. mass effect was only like 20 hours and it was still great.
More is usually good, but sometimes a game that goes on too long gets boring because of that length and lack of things to do or a lower level of polish throughout the whole game than what would have been possible if it was shorter.

shorter + better > longer

Portal is proof of that Smile


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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 18:56    Post subject:
i've like 10 open quests and not a clue how to finish them hehe....

for instance

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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 18:58    Post subject:
Considering it's about on par with the size of Gothic 1 (World size, perhaps a tad bit bigger.) then 30 to 40 hours is quite a good amount of time, plus eventual replayability for other choices such as how to handle some of the quests or factions although the story itself will be the same but seen from a different perspective. Smile

EDIT: Though playtime doesn't mean much I guess as long as it's enjoyable and a fun experience or how to say it, some people rush big titles like Fallout 3 and Oblivion in a couple of hours and Morrowind could be done quite fast as well with exploits.
(It's pretty similar to Morrowind actually in terms of having a small world but hiding how small it really is so you never see the entire thing and get the illusion of it being much bigger.)
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Mussolinka
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:11    Post subject:
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30 hours and done? That's too bad. One thing gothic 3 had was a massive landmass. Maybe in the sequel they could bring people to the mainland and really lengthen it out.


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Banned for not using spoiler tags, and posting major spoiler, enjoy the weekend ~Epsilon
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lhzr




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:16    Post subject:


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Smokeythedemon




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:17    Post subject:
Did you honestly have to say that...
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:17    Post subject:
guess Patty will have one hell of a treasure hunt then lol
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:18    Post subject:
Mussolinka wrote:
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30 hours and done? That's too bad. One thing gothic 3 had was a massive landmass. Maybe in the sequel they could bring people to the mainland and really lengthen it out.


You do realize there is no mainland anymore as the Titans destroyed it? This island is the only one left that isn't burning(yet).


if there is one island, then there is another pretty sure there is still something left in the world lol.

Remember Waterworld ? ^^
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m3th0d2008




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:25    Post subject:
Mussolinka wrote:
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30 hours and done? That's too bad. One thing gothic 3 had was a massive landmass. Maybe in the sequel they could bring people to the mainland and really lengthen it out.


You do realize there is no mainland anymore as the Titans destroyed it? This island is the only one left that isn't burning(yet).


lol that's just wrong. there is landmass and other islands. you shouldnt blieve everything the inquisitor said, he's mad and wants to gain power. nothing more.
also you should think a bit more about the Patty quest...
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:26    Post subject:
Also, Mussolinka, you should think a bit more about not spoiling the shit out of the game for everyone else. Bravo.

*golf clap*
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m3th0d2008




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:29    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Also, Mussolinka, you should think a bit more about not spoiling the shit out of the game for everyone else. Bravo.

*golf clap*


he didnt, he is talkin bullshit...
but i spoilered hard in my reply to him ^^

all i can say is that everyone should listen "carefully" to the quest/story dialogues.
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Rifleman




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:33    Post subject:
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shorter + better > longer

Planescape Torment = long + owning ?
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lhzr




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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 19:41    Post subject:
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help ! ^^
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dirtchamber




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:08    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
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help ! ^^

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P.S.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:12    Post subject:
Rifleman wrote:
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shorter + better > longer

Planescape Torment = long + owning ?

It was alot easier creating huge 2D worlds.
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:25    Post subject:
I'm not debating your choice Epsilon or arguing with you but wasn't that ban a bit harsh for what is essentially shown during the introduction movie?
(Unless I interpreted the intro movie and story description wrong.)

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EDIT: Actually it's even in the manual.
http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/40300/GfW%20Risen%20Manual%20US%20PRINT.pdf?t=1253920269
(Link posted earlier, Steam.)


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Divvy




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:26    Post subject:
What am I doing wrong here? Pretty much everything I encounter takes dozens of hits to kill, while I keep getting 3-shot. That includes plot-related fights where the game is simply stuck 'till I clear the fight so this can't be an issue of me running into content meant for higher levels.

For example,
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I've leveled staff skill to 4 or 5 or whatever the level is so you can stand close and "nudge" them with mouse button 2. The only way to ever beat him was to abuse the nudge so he never got the chance to do anything. Trying anything else would result in me getting a few hits in worth 0.x% of his life each, while he chops me for 30% of mine. I tried leveling strength a LOT but it did jack-all to my damage, nor did upgrading my weapon really.

The combat seems awfully broken to me. I can't believe nobody in QA brought this up.

Oh and how do I get in the room behind the crystal or the force field? If I just need to advance plot, say no more, but if I'm missing something...
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dirtchamber




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:28    Post subject:
Divvy wrote:
What am I doing wrong here? Pretty much everything I encounter takes dozens of hits to kill, while I keep getting 3-shot. That includes plot-related fights where the game is simply stuck 'till I clear the fight so this can't be an issue of me running into content meant for higher levels.

For example,
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I've leveled staff skill to 4 or 5 or whatever the level is so you can stand close and "nudge" them with mouse button 2. The only way to ever beat him was to abuse the nudge so he never got the chance to do anything. Trying anything else would result in me getting a few hits in worth 0.x% of his life each, while he chops me for 30% of mine. I tried leveling strength a LOT but it did jack-all to my damage, nor did upgrading my weapon really.

The combat seems awfully broken to me. I can't believe nobody in QA brought this up.

Oh and how do I get in the room behind the crystal or the force field? If I just need to advance plot, say no more, but if I'm missing something...[/spoiler]

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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:31    Post subject:
Divvy wrote:
What am I doing wrong here? Pretty much everything I encounter takes dozens of hits to kill, while I keep getting 3-shot. That includes plot-related fights where the game is simply stuck 'till I clear the fight so this can't be an issue of me running into content meant for higher levels.

For example,
 Spoiler:
 
I've leveled staff skill to 4 or 5 or whatever the level is so you can stand close and "nudge" them with mouse button 2. The only way to ever beat him was to abuse the nudge so he never got the chance to do anything. Trying anything else would result in me getting a few hits in worth 0.x% of his life each, while he chops me for 30% of mine. I tried leveling strength a LOT but it did jack-all to my damage, nor did upgrading my weapon really.

The combat seems awfully broken to me. I can't believe nobody in QA brought this up.

Oh and how do I get in the room behind the crystal or the force field? If I just need to advance plot, say no more, but if I'm missing something...


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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:36    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
I'm not debating your choice Epsilon or arguing with you but wasn't that ban a bit harsh for what is essentially shown during the introduction movie?
(Unless I interpreted the intro movie and story description wrong.)

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EDIT: Actually it's even in the manual.
http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/40300/GfW%20Risen%20Manual%20US%20PRINT.pdf?t=1253920269
(Link posted earlier, Steam.)

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Most people here haven't bothered to read the manual, regardless what it says is this

Quote:

Only a few enclaves of humanity have so far escaped the disaster. The
volcanic island that you washed up on following your shipwreck is one
of them. For an unknown force seems to be safeguarding the isle from the
worst. However its protection is growing weaker...


It doesn't say whats happened with the world, just that some have escaped disaster, theres no specifics.
I find it to be open to interpretation.
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:36    Post subject:
Healh is increased by leveling up, strength affects melee damage and what melee weapons you can use while dexterity affects the same but for ranged weapons.

Wisdom is part of what magic skills and abilities (Depending on mage type, crystal, rune or scroll, though scrolls require nothing unless you do them yourself.) and needs alternative ways to train, mana also needs to be increased in some way by a trainer.

For staff fighting specifically you have the range but the weapon is very weak a good staff is on par with a mid-end blade or cheap axe from what I've noticed so far but it's faster though if possible you should soften up with magic first to counter the low damage of the staff unless it becomes really powerful once leveled up.
(Doubt it, swords and axes mainly improve combination possibilities plus some welcome extras so it's probably the same for staves, bow and crossbow seem to be only speed related unfortuantely.)

Anyway level up by exploring and earn health and level up magic and staff skills further. Smile


EDIT: Epsilon yeah you are right it is open to interprention, I guess I just saw things a bit differently.
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EDIT: Come to think of it the intro is similar to Ultima IX: Ascension.
(One of the earliest open-ended - kinda - RPG's I've played.)


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KGen




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:38    Post subject:
Fred is the best thing happened to me in the game so far. Without him I'd be lost, he's so handy Very Happy
Now, I'm level 11 and only been visiting the Don so far, no monastery or the town. I don't want to loose Fred, so, if I go to either of them will he disappear or pick up a fight or whatever?

I'd rather adventure with him some more, rather than do some quests if it means loosing him.


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rhagz
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:39    Post subject:
So can you not learn seals if you follow the Don?

I've got all these runes, and blank parchments are too fucking rare to be wasting.

And Fred will accompany you until he dies. He won't follow in some places, like the Monastery, but he will be waiting when you leave.

I've had my Fred for 2 days and a ton of levels. Handy for tanking ashbeasts while I power attack from behind.
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mArkAntonioo




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:55    Post subject:
Who is Fred? ;D
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chris1979233




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 20:58    Post subject:
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Ok going fucking nuts now.. lol


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dirtchamber




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 21:03    Post subject:
I CANNOT believe this...I'm searching for an hour now, and still nothing. Soooo damn close to Shift+Delete. Can't risk breaking my keyboard.
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BalleKnut




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 21:09    Post subject:
I cannot find master Abrax for the life of me. Does anybody know where he is? Been looking in his "study", but he's not there?


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dirtchamber




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 21:12    Post subject:
BalleKnut wrote:
I cannot find master Abrax for the life of me. Does anybody know where he is? Been looking in his "study", but he's not there?

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BaronOfHell




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 21:15    Post subject:
So, how many chapters are there? And which are the ones that are supposed to be repetitive?


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