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grimmmy




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:10    Post subject:
I saw the words "Jeremy Clarkson" and then felt obliged not to read anymore.

Vettes are nice though. They do well in competition racing (i.e. FIA GT, GT3's) and may even win that championship this year.


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:14    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
Id still much rather have the Nissan GT-R than the ZR1


I'd much rather have a car I can beat on for 100,000+ miles without worrying about grenading the transmission using an advertised feature.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:31    Post subject:
Just played the demo of this. Loved it, this will be a great game.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 15:58    Post subject:
grimmmy wrote:
I saw the words "Jeremy Clarkson" and then felt obliged not to read anymore.


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 17:29    Post subject:
SniperKilla wrote:
deelix wrote:
Id still much rather have the Nissan GT-R than the ZR1


I'd much rather have a car I can beat on for 100,000+ miles without worrying about grenading the transmission using an advertised feature.
yeah, heard the launch control is (can be) a bitch
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 17:47    Post subject:
SniperKilla wrote:
richbambam wrote:

that car may be fast but i bet it still wouldnt make top 10 on the top gear lap time leaderboard


http://jalopnik.com/397308/corvette-zr1-laps-nurburgring-in-7264

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1031443_jeremy-clarkson-picks-corvette-zr1-as-best-car-of-the-year

That car still wont make top10 of the top gear test track fast times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track & only beat GT-r around nurburgring is because the nurburgring is a fast low downforce trackwith lots of fast straights & bends,not many heavy breaking/slow corners like on a lot of short circuits,nearest corvette came in 25th on that test track
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 21:07    Post subject:
That is also a z06... they have yet to put a ZR1 around the test track... but

Z06 Nurburgring time: 7:42.99
ZR1 Nurburgring time: 7:26.4

http://www.moddedautos.com/2008/06/new-zr1-shatters-z06s-nurburgring-lap-times.html

It would be interesting to see Wink



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tskiller




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 21:08    Post subject:
richbambam wrote:
SniperKilla wrote:
richbambam wrote:

that car may be fast but i bet it still wouldnt make top 10 on the top gear lap time leaderboard


http://jalopnik.com/397308/corvette-zr1-laps-nurburgring-in-7264

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1031443_jeremy-clarkson-picks-corvette-zr1-as-best-car-of-the-year

That car still wont make top10 of the top gear test track fast times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track & only beat GT-r around nurburgring is because the nurburgring is a fast low downforce trackwith lots of fast straights & bends,not many heavy breaking/slow corners like on a lot of short circuits,nearest corvette came in 25th on that test track



And this is relevant because...?
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richbambam




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 23:04    Post subject:
SniperKilla wrote:
That is also a z06... they have yet to put a ZR1 around the test track... but

Z06 Nurburgring time: 7:42.99
ZR1 Nurburgring time: 7:26.4

http://www.moddedautos.com/2008/06/new-zr1-shatters-z06s-nurburgring-lap-times.html

It would be interesting to see Wink

true Im amazed they havent put this this car through the Lap yet,I would be amazed if it broke into the top 10 though would be a 1st for a production american made car
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richbambam




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Sep 2009 23:06    Post subject:
tskiller wrote:
richbambam wrote:
SniperKilla wrote:


http://jalopnik.com/397308/corvette-zr1-laps-nurburgring-in-7264

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1031443_jeremy-clarkson-picks-corvette-zr1-as-best-car-of-the-year

That car still wont make top10 of the top gear test track fast times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track & only beat GT-r around nurburgring is because the nurburgring is a fast low downforce trackwith lots of fast straights & bends,not many heavy breaking/slow corners like on a lot of short circuits,nearest corvette came in 25th on that test track



And this is relevant because...?

Not really relevant to Forza 3 paticually,but its on the subject of cars that may appear in forza 3?
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 18:34    Post subject:
Looks great to me, also wait for final version. IMO it's the best looking road driving game to date, with DIRT2 being the best looking offroad driving game.


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 18:41    Post subject:
Game looks good, but those screens where obviously renders.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 18:45    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
Game looks good, but those screens where obviously renders.

Which ones? You mean the ones during loading screens? Obviously they are renders...


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 18:54    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:
deelix wrote:
Game looks good, but those screens where obviously renders.

Which ones? You mean the ones during loading screens? Obviously they are renders...
http://kotaku.com/5284706/forza-3-car-porn-in-motion these
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 19:01    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
Glottis wrote:
deelix wrote:
Game looks good, but those screens where obviously renders.

Which ones? You mean the ones during loading screens? Obviously they are renders...
http://kotaku.com/5284706/forza-3-car-porn-in-motion these

THESE are renders? Are you fuckin serious? The only thing I don't remember from the demo is depth of field, everything else looks the same, especially the track, it looks identical. Cars look the same too, maybe they are slightly higher poly count cos of photo mode but it's hard to tell.


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 19:03    Post subject:
GFX look shit at 103"


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 19:06    Post subject:
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GFX look shit at 103"

Thanks for confirming my thoughts that you were trolling.


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 19:47    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:
deelix wrote:
Glottis wrote:

Which ones? You mean the ones during loading screens? Obviously they are renders...
http://kotaku.com/5284706/forza-3-car-porn-in-motion these

THESE are renders? Are you fuckin serious? The only thing I don't remember from the demo is depth of field, everything else looks the same, especially the track, it looks identical. Cars look the same too, maybe they are slightly higher poly count cos of photo mode but it's hard to tell.
Well, at least those screenshots have been tweaked with. Just look at the details. No game looks so flawless... and yeah, iv seen the demo in action. It looks GOOD, but not _THAT_ good
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 19:59    Post subject:
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No game looks so flawless... and yeah, iv seen the demo in action. It looks GOOD, but not _THAT_ good

They just bumped up antialiasing for screenshots so they look very smooth. Nothing unheard off, rockstar does it all the time. Remember GTA3 PS2 screenshots with like 8x antialiasing? Laughing
The difference with forze3 is that it actually has 2x or 4x antialiasing in game.


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 20:12    Post subject:
yeah, I see their point and all, PR, PR PR. But its so fucking annoying. You don't really know what you get. There have been so many times people have been like omg, "it looks so great"

The game is released and people are like "om... this so average Sad "

Heard the devs said the 360 still had more to go on. While Crytek says they have to wait until nextgen consoles are out to make their CryEngine 3 run smooth.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 21:03    Post subject:
If the screenshots are real they were sure taken in photo mode, were they bump up the AA and use advanced lightning techniques. Until we see the photo mode in the retail game we won't be able to tell if they were real or faked.

Edit: the photos linked several posts before this are downscaled AKA supersampled. When you downscale an aliased game screenshot the scalng algorithm does a good job in eliminating jaggies and makes the screenshot seem better.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 21:16    Post subject:
So, does that aliasing really disturb you when playing the game?


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 21:23    Post subject:
Most of those screenshots are from photomode, and one or two might be from replay mode. The average punter might be fooled but most everyone knew what to expect.

As an example of what photomode can provide (on the PS2 no less);

 Spoiler:
 


Quote:
IMO it's the best looking road driving game to date, with DIRT2 being the best looking offroad driving game.


Forza 3 (Oct. '09) vs GT5: Prologue (Dec. '07)
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That's all gameplay shots, no replays or photo mode.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 22:07    Post subject:
lol whoever did this pics really tried to let forza 3 look worse then it is. Just look at the GT screenshots, almost every shot that looks good, does so because the sunlight comes from the side and creates nice light and shadow effects. The forza 3 screenshots are always taken with direct sunlight from the front or from the back so that the shadow and light effects aren't very good visible...


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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Oct 2009 23:06    Post subject:
Not sure how you come to that conclusion, especially as the lighting is fixed for the levels in question, and besides which it could easily work both ways. The contrast and structure of the environment in Forza has a lot more 'pop' to it whereas the track in GT5p is washed out. The two games don't have much between them graphically, but it's my opinion GT5p remains the best looking if we take into account its replay mode and the higher level of detail in NPC cars and indeed the number of NPC cars. Here's a video of the two in action;

...they both look amazing, but I think GT5p still holds its own against the newcomer, graphically speaking.

On the other hand I know which game I'd actually be playing if I had an XBOX, subscription to XBOX Live and a Fanatec wheel (as I'm not downgrading from a G25 to the MS). I'm really liking the sound of the 'play, create, share' storefront approach in Forza 3. I've heard for example livery creators can put their stuff up for sale, and even limit the amount of copies available so that rare designs can exist in the gameworld. Stuff like that, in amongst all the usual shit, just sounds like a lot of fun to me. [fanboy] Inferior graphics or not. [/fanboy]


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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 00:22    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:
dirtymurt wrote:
GFX look shit at 103"

Thanks for confirming my thoughts that you were trolling.


thanks for confirming my suspicions that you are a tard!

I have an opinion, and surely a forum, by definition, would be where to voice those opinions.

I do not like the look of this game, it looks awful and plays like an arcade racer and not the super simulator they are trying to sell it as. It has a high frame rate but low quality graphics is all I am saying. Where is the windscreen FFS ???????


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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 00:49    Post subject:
Ispep, well your pictures and videos do a lousy job at trying to prove that GT5 looks better. I hate that bland, clinical, sterile look for GT5. Forza3 looks exciting, warm and inviting. Also notice how none of the pictures showed Forza's damage, because GT5 doesn't have any so they can't compare.


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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 01:18    Post subject:
the point is, gt5p's 2007 graphics look closer to real-life than forza's 2009 graphics.

and gt5p doesnt have any damage but the final version will have it.


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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 01:24    Post subject:
I hate to say this, but since I played both, I can tell you the Mini is badly modeled in Forza 3 compared to GT5 and looks like a "game" and definitely not like the real car (which I own too Wink).


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