Good 2.1 system for music/gaming?
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 09:31    Post subject: Good 2.1 system for music/gaming?
Think it's about time I upgraded the soundsystem on my PC. Today I have an old Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS soundcard, which I'm going to swap with a Creative X-Fi Titanium (any other suggestions?).

I have two cheap stereo-speakers, which are so cheap I don't even remember the brand Razz, that I want to upgrade to a 2.1 set. When it comes to usage, I listen to a lot of music, and also a bit of gaming. I am looking for as good as possible quality for a maximum price of about $300/€220.

Also I need to be able to get it here in Norway, import is such a hazzle Wink

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 09:38    Post subject:
2.1 in this day and age, are you kidding? Get a 5.1, it's great for gaming and also for music, especially when you have a creative sound card, turn on Stereo Surround and music will sound amazing from all the speakers.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 09:42    Post subject:
I have no space whatsoever for a 5.1 set around my PC, that's why. Plus, music doesn't sound -better- from a 5.1 than a 2.1. Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 09:49    Post subject:
Headphones a complete no-no? I tend to prefer quality headphones if the only alternative is a 2.1.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 10:00    Post subject:
Parallax_ wrote:
music doesn't sound -better- from a 5.1 than a 2.1. Razz

But it does. It sounds hell of a lot better. Why the fuck would you get such a good sound card and use only 2.1 with it, makes no sense to me.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 10:12    Post subject:
inz wrote:
Headphones a complete no-no? I tend to prefer quality headphones if the only alternative is a 2.1.

I hate headphones, it gives no real sense of direction of sound and it damages the hearing over time. Rolling Eyes

Glottis wrote:
Parallax_ wrote:
music doesn't sound -better- from a 5.1 than a 2.1. Razz

But it does. It sounds hell of a lot better. Why the fuck would you get such a good sound card and use only 2.1 with it, makes no sense to me.

Old card support 5.1 as well, the reason I'm upgrading is because of sound characteristic and quality it can produce over the old one. And if you wanna go the music 5.1 vs stereo route, have a nice read Wink

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 10:29    Post subject:
I don't need to read anything, I can just listen. I turn off Stereo Surround and music sounds like shit on my 5.1 setup, I turn it on and it sounds great. And many of my friends thought the same when I showed them the difference. Smile

BTW Stereo Surround is not artificial (but CMSS-3D is), it just sounds better coz music is coming from all the speakers instead of just two front ones, creating a really good sounding surround effect.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 13:49    Post subject:
2.1 is still awesome if you've got decent speakers. i've got 2 m-audio BX5 and a BX-10s sub hooked to a x-fi, played around a bit with the x-fi and speaker settings and they beat the shit out of any other desktop sound system below 1000 € in terms of quality, loudness and looks.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 14:03    Post subject:
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they beat the shit out of any other desktop sound system below 1000 €


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 14:07    Post subject:
bushwacka wrote:
2.1 is still awesome if you've got decent speakers.

No it's not. Try games with 5.1 and you'll never want 2.1 shit again. I guess this is where you come in defending your 2.1 1000€ speakers saying how 5.1 doesn't make a difference. Laughing
Don't get me wrong, dedicated high quality 2.1 audio system for music is great, but 2.1 speakers for a computer? Please...


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 14:10    Post subject:
paralax: you could save money by not upgrading your soundcard, and just buy a nice 5.1 system, like a logitech z-5500.

the audigy 2 zs is still a decent soundcard, they don't age as fast as gfx cards.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 14:23    Post subject:
i'm not saying that it doesn't make a difference - i'm just a little audiophile bitch who prefers a beefy 2.1 setup to the usual desktop surround systems. besides, it saves me the hassle of placing rear speakers in my room where they would just get in the way of everything. and for gaming with surround sound purposes, i've already got a 7.1 setup in my living room.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 15:34    Post subject:
Get any speakers by 'Altec Lansing'.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 16:45    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:
No it's not. Try games with 5.1 and you'll never want 2.1 shit again.

Games and movies is one thing, you won't have me arguing that any of those sound better on a 2.1 than 5.1. However, 99.99% of music is made for stereo, and have to be emulated on 5.1. In fact, if you had read what I quoted, you would know that music sounds best on stereo, more speakers don't add anything more in terms of quality - they actually lessen the experience because of the way the spatial sound is output.

As I said I only have space for 2.1, not 5.1 - and most of my usage comes from music, only a little bit of gaming - but keep on blabbering on with your ignorance. I have yet to see any suggestion from you whatsoever.

bushwacka wrote:
2.1 is still awesome if you've got decent speakers. i've got 2 m-audio BX5 and a BX-10s sub hooked to a x-fi

Thanks, I will check them out and see if I can find any retailers selling it here Smile

Kamikaze666 wrote:
paralax: you could save money by not upgrading your soundcard, and just buy a nice 5.1 system, like a logitech z-5500.
the audigy 2 zs is still a decent soundcard, they don't age as fast as gfx cards.

One thing I am wondering, I know all the technical differences, but anyone got any practical experience in the difference between Audigy 2 and X-FI as far as sound in music and games goes? I would't mind getting a 5.1 system and keep the old soundcard as far as money-saving goes, just that rear and center speakers would be gathering dust. But I guess it's not a bad idea as far as futureproofing goes, like me switching to a bigger place in the future Wink

dominae wrote:
Get any speakers by 'Altec Lansing'.

Will measure them up against all the options I got, thanks! Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 18:03    Post subject:
I have a set of Altec Lansing 2.1 speakers for my desktop computer, they sound pretty good and the sub is pretty powerful. They were pretty cheap though, just $60 .. something like this (but older model):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836113168


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 18:27    Post subject:
They look and sound awesome! Thanks Nouse, I'll check those out myself once I get the cash Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 18:34    Post subject:
Parallax_ wrote:
One thing I am wondering, I know all the technical differences, but anyone got any practical experience in the difference between Audigy 2 and X-FI as far as sound in music and games goes? I would't mind getting a 5.1 system and keep the old soundcard as far as money-saving goes, just that rear and center speakers would be gathering dust. But I guess it's not a bad idea as far as futureproofing goes, like me switching to a bigger place in the future Wink

Stick with Audigy 2 and get unofficial drivers for it, they unlock tons of features that Creative deliberately hidden from Audigy 2 users so they get X-Fi and other expensive not needed cards. Download these great drivers here: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=139702

Here's more about how the guy who made unofficial drivers got threatened by Creative and then after community's outrage was allowed to continue his work: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/04/daniel_k-who-fi/


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 18:53    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
They look and sound awesome! Thanks Nouse, I'll check those out myself once I get the cash Smile

Let me know when you do Sabin, I am having trouble finding places that sell Altec here in Norway, or maybe I am looking at the wrong places Razz

Seems to be alot of places selling different Creative or Logitech systems, but harder to find Altec and other systems.

Glottis wrote:
Here's more about how the guy who made unofficial drivers got threatened by Creative and then after community's outrage was allowed to continue his work: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/04/daniel_k-who-fi/

I remember reading about this some time back (but have since forgotten about it), but now that I actually check out the feature list, damn, I regret not getting it sooner. Now I will definitively keep the Audigy 2 ZS and install those drivers. Thanks for the tip Wink


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 19:13    Post subject:
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Let me know when you do Sabin, I am having trouble finding places that sell Altec here in Norway, or maybe I am looking at the wrong places Razz


At that price, it'd cheaper and easier for me to just import from the UK or USA Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 19:17    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Parallax_ wrote:

Let me know when you do Sabin, I am having trouble finding places that sell Altec here in Norway, or maybe I am looking at the wrong places Razz


At that price, it'd cheaper and easier for me to just import from the UK or USA Very Happy


Altec Lansing is a North America company, not surprising they are hard to find internationally.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 19:38    Post subject:
If I can avoid buying from abroad, I'd much rather find a place to buy here in Norway because:

- No import toll, and I don't have to wait several weeks for the postal monkeys to do their thing Razz
- Warranty, in case anything should break, but of course we're not talking about expensive items here

Alas, it seems I have to look abroad for the Altec Lansing sets.
This doesn't look bad.

Review 1
Review 2

Haven't decided on anything yet though.

nouseforaname wrote:
Altec Lansing is a North America company, not surprising they are hard to find internationally.

Their US website seems to be defunct tho Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 20:00    Post subject:
Parallax_ wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:
Altec Lansing is a North America company, not surprising they are hard to find internationally.

Their US website seems to be defunct tho Razz


I'm not sure exactly what it means, but they were bought not long ago by Plantronics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altec_Lansing


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 20:02    Post subject:
Yeah, that could have something to do with it. They haven't included the Altec products in the Plantronics website tho.

I would very much love an overview over their products coming from the US, because maybe Altec MX5021 isn't their newest 2.1 model? Who knows... sure is tempting tho Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2009 20:03    Post subject:
what about buying a second hand amp and a pair of bookshelfs?

will sound much better then those puny satelites that fit under the door


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Parallax_ wrote:
I would very much love an overview over their products coming from the US, because maybe Altec MX5021 isn't their newest 2.1 model? Who knows... sure is tempting tho Razz


they seem to have more selection at the .co.uk site than really any us/canada online shop I can find, so I don't think they have anything newer


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2009 08:44    Post subject:
Cool, I will check some reviews of MX5021 and also check out some other systems before I finally land on a choice.

I guess most people here sit on 5.1 systems, but anyone have any experience with Creative vs. Logitech? For instance Creative Gigaworks T3 and Logitech Z-Cinéma 2.1? Over the years I have mostly been using Creative in the PC sound department, so no idea about Logitech.


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2009 08:37    Post subject:
What I have been considering so far:

Altec MX5021
Logitech Z-Cinéma 2.1 (USB connection only, so I think not)
Creative Gigaworks T3
Harman/ Kardon Soundsticks II (looks wicked and supposedly has pretty great sound, tho abit simple in the options department)
Razer Mako 2.1 Advanced Desktop Audio (sounds great but way too expensive for a 2.1 set, then I might as well get the Z-5500)

I think I might land on a Creative Gigaworks T3 after reading some reviews. We shall see Wink


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http://www.prisguide.no/product.php?product_id=17095

bah, only at pixmania. In other words they are not in Norway, so could take some time before you get them. pixmania haven't got the best customer reviews either :/
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Yeah if I do get Altec, I am getting it from the UK. Pixmania sucks.


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2009 09:22    Post subject:
Klipsch make the ProMedia GMX A-2.1 which is supposed to be great. Try and find a store that will let you play around with the speakers before you buy is basically the only thing I can suggest.

Don't believe what people say with audio equipment though, it's highly subjective. I could find someone who disagrees with any non-numerical judgment, of any piece of equipment. It's insane and a lot of companies profit off it. Only in the Audiophile section will you see a $5 cable priced at 10x that or more and premium speakers made with old old school paper cones and stuff like that.
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