[XBOX360] Firmware Hack VS. November Update
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kryon




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 16:42    Post subject: [XBOX360] Firmware Hack VS. November Update
Since a lot of people here hacked their device, I assume most of them are a bit worried what would, or could happen when the November update will pop out. Question Question
Insted of browsing the forum for opinions regarding the matter, a dedicated thread is a must.
I know some people on this forum have a lot modding/hacking knowledge, so share your wisdom.

**This thread can also be a great place for comments and responds on November, when the update comes out**

Thanks.


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rmariani




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 16:50    Post subject:
for me there are 3 options:

1 - nothing happens (that would be great)
2 - Banned from live (couldn't care less)
3 - Backups don't work anymore with a mandatory update (that sucks.... It would mean buying games again and WORST having to wait for them because of the poor distribution and disrispect for europe from almost everyone in the gaming business)


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kryon




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 16:56    Post subject:
rmariani wrote:
for me there are 3 options:

1 - nothing happens (that would be great)
2 - Banned from live (couldn't care less)
3 - Backups don't work anymore with a mandatory update (that sucks.... It would mean buying games again and WORST having to wait for them because of the poor distribution and disrispect for europe from almost everyone in the gaming business)


Option 3 is the worst of course, however, I'm afraid of option 4 which means a total ban of the hacked xbox360, now that would be really bad. I wonder if M$ can do such a thing...


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Surray




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 17:03    Post subject:
there is no point discussing this now, we have no idea what microsoft can do.


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hiatus_gsw
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 17:08    Post subject:
With the November update, all compatible xbox1 games will be playable on Live with just the Silver subscription.
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Nettwerk




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 18:09    Post subject:
option 1 for me
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mcmanic




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 18:10    Post subject:
i personally think nothing will happen, only reason they did it on xbox1 was due to homebrew which risked security to the system and cheating on LIVE with unsigned code. Thus i think thats why they are crippling the drive's instead. The percentage must be very small who have actually flashed their systems due to all the horror story's you hear about failing xbox360's that alot won't bother until their warrenty runs out. There is no way they would flash a drive either and seeing the firmware (on hitachi) is stealthed i would presume its not to easy to detect.

IF they do something i rather it was just a ban from online gaming and still use silver for the updates
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DeMoN064




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 18:15    Post subject:
grayopa wrote:
For MS to add code to the kernal to handle reading the firmware would be much work, even if their
Southbridge can handle the commands (some SATA controllers can't).

MS would need to code different sections for each type of drive they have used and then upgrade
the code for their newer drives.

It would be much easier for MS to add code to ask for the DMI and PFI sectors from the disc, as
this code would be the same for all drives and would not need to be updated when MS starts to
use newer drives like the BenQ or LiteOn.

Hence, Media Stealth is better as the firmware will give back the right DMI and PFI sectors when
asked.


"c4e" thinks the "correct checksum" feature for the Samsung is good and the best that is possible
for the Samsung and as such it is good as it can be and basically is just as good as "Firmware stealth"
on the Hitachi.


If there is an update and M$ do this, Then it seems the Hitachis are more at risk than the sammys Crying or Very sad hopefully the drive can be flashed with stealth media.
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dvsone




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 19:24    Post subject:
err the hitatchi has firmware stealth. The sammy only has media stealth both are equally flawed
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evilmonkey




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 19:27    Post subject:
well dont connect to live untill after the update, see what folks are saying, if nowt happens then your golden, if people get banned then just revert your firmware to origional.

Think very carefully about this next point, M$ wouldnt be shelling out a great deal of extra cash to implement these anti-opening/flashing into the newer revisions of the 360 if they could simply just detect the firmware without the chance of banning innocent people, because they can smell lawsuits for that.

When the november update happens nothing at all will happen, mark my words.
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themetaledge




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 19:36    Post subject:
Or we can wait until the release of HALO 3 to see what happens. I remember people getting banned for using the French version of HALO 2 a few years ago.
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Ace




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 19:44    Post subject:
i think its a load of crap.
M$ wont be changing the drives if they could prevent people with a fw flash play copies by just making a dashboard update.

and even so no mather what they do, eventualy somebody will figure out how to bypass their next atempt.
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kryon




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 20:11    Post subject:
evilmonkey wrote:
well dont connect to live untill after the update, see what folks are saying, if nowt happens then your golden, if people get banned then just revert your firmware to origional.

Think very carefully about this next point, M$ wouldnt be shelling out a great deal of extra cash to implement these anti-opening/flashing into the newer revisions of the 360 if they could simply just detect the firmware without the chance of banning innocent people, because they can smell lawsuits for that.

When the november update happens nothing at all will happen, mark my words.


Now that's a post I would like to see more...


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 20:23    Post subject:
kryon wrote:
evilmonkey wrote:
well dont connect to live untill after the update, see what folks are saying, if nowt happens then your golden, if people get banned then just revert your firmware to origional.

Think very carefully about this next point, M$ wouldnt be shelling out a great deal of extra cash to implement these anti-opening/flashing into the newer revisions of the 360 if they could simply just detect the firmware without the chance of banning innocent people, because they can smell lawsuits for that.

When the november update happens nothing at all will happen, mark my words.


Now that's a post I would like to see more...


*agreed in full*

We will see what happens, but I'm 100% with evilmonkey on this, I doubt we will see anything major with the November update.
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kryon




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 20:53    Post subject:
One issue which wasn't discussed is the optical eye...
I wonder if burned dvds are wearing the optical eye out. This issue was a big problem on the PS2 back in the days...


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mcmanic




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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006 21:44    Post subject:
kryon wrote:
One issue which wasn't discussed is the optical eye...
I wonder if burned dvds are wearing the optical eye out. This issue was a big problem on the PS2 back in the days...


early days but then again the ps2 laser was crap anyway compared to my 3 year old chipped xbox which is still going strong laser wise with backups.

Now if your talking about xbo360x reliability and how long before it overheats and dies well thats a different matter, thus thats why i have 2x360's
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Ace




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 00:12    Post subject:
yeah the lovely mistake M$ made in some cases by not removing the foil over the CPU
saw that with my own eyes.
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Oddmaker
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 00:31    Post subject:
What IF something did happen.. With the november update you will be able to play games with 1080p but if Microsoft do stop people from playing backups and connecting to live which would you choose? Playing games in 1080p (once they come out) or playing backups.


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dvsone




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 00:34    Post subject:
its 1080p over vga and most games wont suppourt 1080p for a lil while
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 00:36    Post subject:
Backups as I have nothing capable of 1080p Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 01:03    Post subject:
I don't see what the big deal is. OMG you might have to buy games!!1 Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 02:35    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. OMG you might have to buy games!!1 Razz


EXACTLY! I'm poor.. shush Razz
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BigBasher
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 03:54    Post subject:
360 doesnt even have hdmi so who would pick 1080p over backups
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Bianconero




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 04:02    Post subject:
X360 premium package.....500$
Xbox Live subscription for 1 year.... 75$
Hack your X360 and fuck M$ up with free games ... priceless...


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 06:14    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. OMG you might have to buy games!!1 Razz
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kryon




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 09:15    Post subject:
whoKnows wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is. OMG you might have to buy games!!1 Razz


Well, this is the big deal: In my country, in order to buy a game, I need to order it from the UK, wait 2 weeks, and pay 85$ for it...As long as I'm a student (university) I just can't afford it.


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whoKnows
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 17:16    Post subject:
You can't buy games in Isreal, i find that hard to believe. Deliveries from the UK usually take two working days here, i order all censored games (.de censores almost all games :/ ) from the UK as they usually sell uncut versions. Of course the games are expensive, but you don't have to buy all the games Wink
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liansk




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 18:13    Post subject:
We CAN buy xbox games in Israel but since the whole 360 mania is only starting here we got a HUGE delay before new games arrive. Also as far as i know shipping from UK to Israel takes at least 5 working days (on a VERY lucky day) and usually it takes around 2 weeks.


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hiatus_gsw
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 18:25    Post subject:
"Microsoft announced early today morning that their November update will be delayed to next Spring. They will however release a regular update that will improve the Live service. THis update will be part of the new Gears of War game or may be downloaded separately from Live."

-Source: A MS insider

"In related news, there were small explosions heard around the Microsoft campus. Sources inside Microosft said it has to do with testing their new updates on hacked 360s but no official comment is available at the moment."
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 18:41    Post subject:
lmao.. looks good to me Very Happy

Source?
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