10 HDD on one Computer possible ?
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Apr 2017 19:07    Post subject: 10 HDD on one Computer possible ?
Hello , i have 4 HDD in one computer , i have few small byte hdds , but slots on motherboard no more Embarassed anybody knows something exist like wye in simple power socket?

I want something like box and plugging in a lot many hdds?
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Apr 2017 21:53    Post subject:
RAID card or simple sata expansion card can help you:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=sata%20expansion%20card&Submit=ENE
Of course this will take a pci-e slot.

Or consider buying a NAS (synlogy for example):
http://www.simplynas.com/images/view.aspx?productId=46287

its pretty pricy and its only 16 slots.

Also: how about migrating your data to a bigger HDD? What max sized disks you have? Before buying a new HDD make sure your mobo supports 2TB+
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Apr 2017 23:12    Post subject:
@Ampee
thx for answer man , this card like network or video card ? he give me many ports for HDD right?

but in this card need сables to all this HDD

something like this?

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mtj




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 07:24    Post subject:
Well. You can connect to the nas via network (ethernet/wlan) for example.

No separate card needed in your pc in that case.


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Ampee




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 10:53    Post subject:
NAS: (Network Attached Storage)
Basically its another computer so to speak. You plug in all the disks into the slots, and at the back of it you get a powerplug and an ethernet interface. You can "reach" your disks via ethernet (network access)
of course you can use block level addressing by configuring an iscsi on the nas and then using that target on the destination computer.
Block level addressing: You will see your drives in windows like a local disk, not as a network share/connected disk.

RAID or SATA expansion card:
Sata expansion card: itt adds just + sata connections to your motherboard, it does nothing more. This kinda card goes into your motherboard's pci express slot, similar like you insert a video card.
RAID is a bit more complicated protocol. it gives you certain advantages, but I dont think you need those, and a reliable raid card could cost a fortune. Just look for simple sata expansion cards. But if youre interested in Raid technology, i'll gladly help You.

All in all: You either need a NAS device, or a SATA expansion card. NOT BOTH! Smile
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 18:21    Post subject:
Thx , now i understand or NAS or Card ,
Maybe NAS on future , now I interested Card :
need another power supply i think ? my 500V , for 4 HDD (2 STA , 2 IDE) no problem with this , working good many years , but when 6-7 HDD's whats recommendation power supply?
Now there is one more problem how many connection have power supply?

My PS left for 1-2 slots maximum . Question

Need information about this VAT and Connections for 7-8-9-10 HDD's.

and need i think cables from raid card to hdd's , i don't remember in complected with HDD or singly
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 08:42    Post subject:
VampireCampfire wrote:
Thx , now i understand or NAS or Card ,
Maybe NAS on future , now I interested Card :
need another power supply i think ? my 500V , for 4 HDD (2 STA , 2 IDE) no problem with this , working good many years , but when 6-7 HDD's whats recommendation power supply?
Now there is one more problem how many connection have power supply?

My PS left for 1-2 slots maximum . Question

Need information about this VAT and Connections for 7-8-9-10 HDD's.

and need i think cables from raid card to hdd's , i don't remember in complected with HDD or singly


jeeez, dont mean to offend You but your English is quite a bit shady Very Happy.
500W power supply could manage 10 HDD-s, it all depends on what type of HDD-s, CPU, videocard and other stuff you have.
Use this to approx. calculate your PSU needs:
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
You can always use something like this to "double" your powersupply connection:
https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-PYO2SATA-Power-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B002N2EHVQ
Also I would migrate my data from those IDE HDD-s.
What type of HDD-s do You have? Capacity I mean.

Dont go for RAID card, only simple SATA expansion card. Unless You do want RAID functions.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 12:31    Post subject:
Less but larger HD's not being an option?
Asking since you're not really into RAID, NAS or very technical so I'm wondering if a simple approach might not be better.


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Ampee




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 12:38    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
Less but larger HD's not being an option?
Asking since you're not really into RAID, NAS or very technical so I'm wondering if a simple approach might not be better.

+1
and in a long run you will realize that living space is what really matters. Imagine keeping 100 50GB HDD's around, where would you put those?
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 13:02    Post subject:
@Ampee
i know, my English horrible, sorry 4 that Neutral

And what me need for 8 HDD
SATA expansion card + Power Splitter = and that's all?

Here my hdd:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HDD1:
Model: TOSHIBA MK6461GSY
Firmware: MC000D
Serial: X0EDT0CBT
LBA: 1250261615

Report By: HDDScan for Windows version 3.3
Report Date: 07.04.2017 13:55:04
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HDD2:
Model: SAMSUNG HD250HJ
Firmware: FH100-06
Serial: S0URJDWQ803854
LBA: 488395055

Report By: HDDScan for Windows version 3.3
Report Date: 07.04.2017 13:57:08
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HDD3:
Model: SAMSUNG SP2504C
Firmware: VT100-41
Serial: S09QJ1HL929485
LBA: 488395055

Report By: HDDScan for Windows version 3.3
Report Date: 07.04.2017 13:57:37
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HDD4:
Model: ST3500630AS
Firmware: 3.AAE
Serial: 6QG3DCGG
LBA: 976771055

Report By: HDDScan for Windows version 3.3
Report Date: 07.04.2017 13:58:08
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 13:25    Post subject:
No problems Smile I told you that since it might occur that I misunderstand You.

Those disks......Well, It would be a wise idea to consider moving(migrating) all those disk's data to a bigger HDD. Just buy a 1-2 TB disk and move the data there. Is there a reason you can't do this?
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 13:55    Post subject:
Why don't you go for the HDD Master interface solution? Highest speeds and really cheap. Installation is pretty simple too...

http://www36.zippyshare.com/v/ZkfTkyrl/file.html

It's just a bit noisy... the hissing sound is due to the high speed of the interface Sad


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 14:14    Post subject:
Just buy bigger HDD man like Ampee said Very Happy
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 17:47    Post subject:
@Ampee
Yep, my HDD all full, i need more free space,
want something like big thrash-box , i already buy old HDD's 500GB for 2-5$ , on this HDD can not install OS or play games , he very weak only for files vault.

I walked to store and consult with seller , he tell me this special motherboard for server if i want many HDD in one box , but this motherboard vary expensive for this thrash box.

So, i stop on you variant , need just more power outlets and SATA port.
Thank you very mach!
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 18:03    Post subject:
And this is where I stop taking it serious. Laughing


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Laughing great topic
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 18:35    Post subject:
if i want more free space that bad?
i have HDD , but nowhere to connect them , all slots and ports on my pc done

yes ideal variant if this all HDDS were separate from PC , singly BOX
but need minimal price.

and what wrong Confused
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 19:39    Post subject:
@Shoshomiga
hm, interesting , i think about that, thank you .
but on photo only 2 slots , maybe exists more ? this usb box be best variant if have 4-5 slots
You don't know , how many years he working stable?
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Apr 2017 10:03    Post subject:
If your going all out mega-nas: http://lime-technology.com

I've been running an Unraid box on pretty cheap hardware for 6-7 yrs now without any issues. I've got 8x 4tb drives connected between the motherboard onboard sata and a single 4 port raid expansion card. I noticed the latest am4 motherboards at times have 8 onboard sata 3.0 connectors, which would more than suffice if you just went 8tb drives straight off the bat.

Unraid:
- Allows any mix size & speed drives
- add and remove drives at any time without much work.
- 1x drive can fail and be replaced, i.e you have parity.
- lose 2x drives at once (woudl be v. unlucky, would mean losing a disk worth of data but not the entire array.
- scales nicely with media centers, i.e its not using raid 5 spinning all disks to play media so it can scale a lot better if you are streaming to multiple devices.

Other:
- I run 8x containers on the box to automate all the media stuff, this is incredibly easy and built into the web gui for novices. You can automate your media to deliver a better and easier service to use than netflix.
- I probably wouldnt exceed 8-10 disks ever, your much better off just increasing capacity as disks do fail over time.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Apr 2017 12:18    Post subject:
I'm someone who has many drives and no, don't get motherboards with more SATA slots. They're freakishly expensive and aimed at a different market which means it will be lacking in other areas. Not to mention your power usage will be far more than needed, and your drives will die much faster too.

Best idea is what Shoshomiga posted: external eSata - just make sure you configure BIOS to allow for swapping eSata drives on the fly without rebooting. Very cheap, very easy to do, no higher power usage, drives will only run when needed instead of all the time, etc.
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Apr 2017 16:42    Post subject:
VampireCampfire wrote:
if i want more free space that bad?
i have HDD , but nowhere to connect them , all slots and ports on my pc done

yes ideal variant if this all HDDS were separate from PC , singly BOX
but need minimal price.

and what wrong Confused


No problem with wanting more space.
Just buy a larger HDD, for example: 2000GB one. Then copy the data from your old HDDs to the 2000GB one.
This way you will use only 1 cable and one sata connection on your motherboard.
No point keeping around lot of small HDD-s, or if thats the purpose then go floppy all the way and you could even pile up a room with them.....room, im stupid....earth.
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VampireCampfire




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 16:38    Post subject:
All guys thx 4 answers , i many think , and came to the conclusion :
NAS 2TB be best variant for me ,



anybody use this cloud? 5+years hes working? or quickly breaks down?
My comp 7-9 years nothing no breaks Very Happy i have one HDD from 2002 and he still working.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 17:32    Post subject:
5+ years? I'll tell you in 2020. So far so good.
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2017 17:57    Post subject:
VampireCampfire wrote:
All guys thx 4 answers , i many think , and came to the conclusion :
NAS 2TB be best variant for me ,



anybody use this cloud? 5+years hes working? or quickly breaks down?
My comp 7-9 years nothing no breaks Very Happy i have one HDD from 2002 and he still working.


No one can tell you how long a device would last. WD is generally considered a "good" brand, but that's just prejudice.
The real "+" or "-" comes when Your product does "break down" and the way they treat you when you present yourself with your faulity product, thats what matters, nothing else, since everything is heading towards "breaking down".
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