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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 04:25    Post subject: Ram
Currently have 4x2 DDR3 RAM and with more games demanding more ram was thinking of upgrading to 16 so what should I get 2 separate sticks of 8GB or just another 8Gb alongside my 4x2 I read about dual channel but people say its hardly any difference
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 08:11    Post subject:
ppl are wrong... get 2x8


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 08:58    Post subject:
Not only that, but check what ram speeds you can get that are compatible with your mobo/cpu and get the highest speed in mhz with the lowest cas latency you can afford.


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 11:18    Post subject:
i went from 2x4 1600 to 2x8 2400 and the difference is substantial in every CPU limited scenario in games. it should tide you over till the next upgrade cycle.

don't go for 4 sticks. less performance and stability in many cases.


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 14:17    Post subject:
Any downside of getting 1 x 8GB RAM ? Also can i get a higher frequency ram of 2133 and use the existing RAM which is running at 1800 ?
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 17:37    Post subject:
NFOAC wrote:
Any downside of getting 1 x 8GB RAM ? Also can i get a higher frequency ram of 2133 and use the existing RAM which is running at 1800 ?


You can't mix speeds, all run on same (lower) frequenzy (or crash on higher).

At least it used to work with 2x + 1x double size memory sticks. But best is just get a new 2x set of faster memory (sell/giveaway/trash the old sticks).

I run 4 stick with no trouble, but bought the other 2, as I happened to find indentical sticks used for good price (for the time). Now I'd get 16GB cheaper than the extra 8gb cost me


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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Oct 2016 19:57    Post subject:
it cost me 30 bucks after sale of 2x4gb 1600mhz to get 2x8 2400mhz, so it should be quite cheap to avoid all the hassles of mixing different speeds, brands, capacities.


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Oct 2016 06:29    Post subject:
I have started series of gigabyte B85 model
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demde




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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 08:48    Post subject:
Will use this thread so i don't create new one.

I currently have 1x8 GB Kingston HyperX Blu 1600mhz
First its running at 1333mhz. I can clock it via bios a lot, but i have never touched ram so im afraid i can screw something. Don't really wan't to push it that high though. I guess i want to go to at least 1600. Think my mobo supports some kind of autoclocking as i can change one value and it gets to 1600. So should i just change it to 1600 and don't touch anything else or i can do better?

And second i plan to take another 8GB its currently on sale here, but its HyperX Fury ( its blue again, but not exactly the same) Although specs are same 1600mhz CL10. Guess won't be a problem.

Don't plan to switch to ddr4 soon coz i don't want to change mobo again.


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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 09:41    Post subject:
Not to make a stand here, but recently upgraded from 1x2GB + 1x4GB DDR3 1333 to this with 2x4GB 1866 making it 14GB 1333 (faster downgrades automatically) and I'm having a safe & fast experience. No compatibility problems or errors.
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 10:24    Post subject:
Shoshomiga wrote:
demde Is that bios value called XMP profile?

You can use those profiles and they are guaranteed to work


XMP = extreme memory profile? I have that and when i use it does go to 1600mhz setting.
I also have overclock profiles. but they are quite extreme and for GSKILL or corsair setups.

(AIDA64 actually gives info about this profile).
http://i.imgur.com/Z9Gopo1.png
Guess this should be the safest "clock" for now.


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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 12:19    Post subject:
buy stick kits x2 or x4
don't buy 2 separate sticks
less chance of problems


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demde




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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 13:00    Post subject:
I know that, but i can't afford to take x2 right now and it doesn't even make sense in current situation.
Like i said i don't plan to go ddr4 anytime soon, because i plan to slowly upgrade on current mobo and only after cpu and gpu upgrade to change mobo with ddr4 ram.


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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 14:04    Post subject:
that doesn't make sense, since when you upgrade mobo you will probably have to upgrade cpu as well, so might as well upgrade ram with it also

if you want to buy 1 stick of ram, check if it's CAS latency matches your current ones at the same speed, same manufacturer helps too

useful tool is CPU-Z

also in it you will see speed profiles for your current stick, check how much your mobo supports and put it at max ram+mobo approved speed



XMP is a separate RAM profile, most modern bios's have settings to enable it and it auto clocks at max

best scenario is selling your current stick, checking the max speed your mobo supports and buy 2x8 DDR3 kit with that speed, but that's if you have spare money


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demde




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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 18:55    Post subject:
Think they're the same.
http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KHX1600C10D3b1_8G.pdf (current)
http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/HX316C10F_8.pdf (the one i plan to take)

If i wait to sell mine can miss the promotion and i can't get x2 now and wait to eventually sell mine later. Can use extreme profile to get them to 1600mhz and timings for both are same from what i can see.

Weird, Just used xmp and it sets at 9-10-10 and not 10-10-10 at 800mhz freq. I can manually set it to 10 though.


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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Nov 2016 21:20    Post subject:
lower is better, leave it @ XMP to set it as it sees fit

in the first pdf there is no latency/speed table

you need this

• DDR3-1600 CL10-10-10 @1.5V
• DDR3-1333 CL9-9-9 @1.5V
• DDR3-1066 CL7-7-7 @1.5V

to be the same at the speed you're gonna run at for both sticks

so the 2-nd stick needs to have XMP profile for CL9-10-10 also check if voltage is the same - as you can see from my screenshot my XMP profile buffs voltage to 1.65V

run CPU-Z and check the stick profiles it reads

or just find a second of the same RAM stick you have currently, even 2-nd hand RAM generally either works or not

also in the mobo manual it is said on which ram slots you need to place the 2 sticks so they run at dual channel
sometimes it even specifically says on which 2 slots you neet to place the ram if you're using only 2 sticks instead of 4

if there are 4 slots it's usually 1-3 and 2-4, usually pair sockets are in the same color too


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Nov 2016 05:36    Post subject:
Well he thing is i can't find same stick here anymore. Its all HyperX Fury thing. (new or used, found couple of 2 to 4 gb versions of mine model exactly)
And also CPUZ gives that current stick xmp should be at 10-10-10 and yet it runs at 9-10-10

If 9-10-10 is better won't it just "nerf" the new one to go 9-10-10 as well?

http://i.imgur.com/nE9vUnh.png

Edit: I can actually manually adjust all timings for any slot on the channel A or B so i can manually make new one 9-10-10 or old one 10-10-10 so they go same.


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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Nov 2016 11:03    Post subject:
you mean the new one will nerf the old one to 10-10-10 (remember lower is better)

I don't know

that might work, or it might not, probably it will
hope the new stick has a return policy

put both sticks then run some memory test for a few hours and if there are no errors you're good


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PostPosted: Thu, 24th Nov 2016 07:29    Post subject:
It does have return policy, but will wait to see if there is lower price solution durning black friday. When i take will force both to run at 1600mhz with 9-10-10 and run 2h memtest tool.

Thanks for the help!


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PostPosted: Mon, 28th Nov 2016 19:33    Post subject:
This is a good thread topic... I was thinking about the same.

Since I got new gpu which is gtx 1060, my performance skyrocketed but I am still using old 2500k (at 4.5 oc though) and most importantly(because can be rather cheaply replaced) 2x4gb of ddr3 1333mhz memory.

Now I just changed the 1333mhz option to 1600mhz on my asrock mobo and thats it... it works and shows as 1600mhz in windows. Is that advisable to oc ram like that?... If that is even oc.
My mobo is super poor when it comes to memory options. I can just choose between few clock options and timings.


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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Nov 2016 23:05    Post subject:
Relevant here as well:



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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2017 20:13    Post subject:
Just saw that soon you can get RAM with fucking RGB LEDs:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/kingston-hyperx-predator-ddr4-rgb-led/


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WHY THE FUCK


Probably paying 50% more just for those LEDs.
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I bet soon we have monitor backlights done with RGB leds.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2017 20:15    Post subject:
prezlprmzm will be so happy about this. finally some more lights which will shine out of his nice overpriced case. it also need some watercooling tho.
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