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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 03:30    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Royalgamer06 wrote:
Do you guys think the RX480 will run on a 650W PSU?
Nope, you'll need at least an 850W PSU for it Smile


I think he should be fine with 1500W personally, but that must be confirmed.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 06:39    Post subject:
Yeah 1500w is fine, aslong it is seasonic platinum or titanium.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 06:43    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Yeah 1500w is fine, aslong it is seasonic platinum or titanium.




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 07:37    Post subject:
Kanint wrote:
Mchart wrote:
I'm not even sure how they'll be competitive in the mid-range market given how cheap you can find last-gen nvidia stuff for now.

That bad? I just looked at the price of the 980. The cheapest ones were going for 250$.
I then looked at recent benchmarks (done for the 1070 and 1080) which also contained the 390x and the 980.
On average, the 390x had 97.6% the performance of the 980.

So, people have the opportunity to pay 50$ more for a card someone else used, so they can get that sweet sweet 1 extra fps in DX11 games.
If a friend had a budget of 200-250$ for a GPU, would you tell them to buy the second-hand 980?


For those curious/who don't believe my results, it was an average of 10 games: Witcher 3, Far Cry Primal, Battlefront, Fallout 4, Tomb Raider Dx11 mode, F1 2015, GTA5, Just Cause 3, Rainbow Six Sege, The Division.
Results:
390 980

45 47
50 45
66 59
59 65
56 66
78 84
69 76
52 57
92 85
47 45


That's pricing now. In a month it'll be even cheaper. The difference is you can pay more now, or wait a month and get either card. You completely missed the point. Yes, if a friend had a $250 budget and they couldn't wait i'd tell them to buy a used 980. That or save $50 and get a used 970 for even less. Note how I didn't say 980 specifically given how dirt cheap 970's are going for now. 390x's are in the same boat sitting around $260.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 07:45    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:



Also Mchart, are you really suggesting that last-gen Nvidia cards might be a good alternative? You do realise that Kepler hasn't exactly aged well right? Laughing


Last gen is now maxwell. (Pascal is out) Why in god's name would I recommend kepler.

Good luck with your 480 has nearly 6 tflops theory. If it was meeting 390x performance they would have said it. Instead they did the tried and true method for bullshiting w/ powerpoint bullets by giving a 'greater then x' statement.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 08:24    Post subject:


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 08:37    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
Silk smooth #nextgen fps experience with my HD 4600.Smile

(3440 x 1440 everything on low/off)






Since when 980Ti has been this much slower than Titan X?
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 08:50    Post subject:
Since the amazing new Pascal drivers, of course. Cool Face

Probably just running it at stock, the dolts.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 09:15    Post subject:
Mchart wrote:

That's pricing now. In a month it'll be even cheaper. The difference is you can pay more now, or wait a month and get either card. You completely missed the point. Yes, if a friend had a $250 budget and they couldn't wait i'd tell them to buy a used 980. That or save $50 and get a used 970 for even less. Note how I didn't say 980 specifically given how dirt cheap 970's are going for now. 390x's are in the same boat sitting around $260.

We now know the core clock and the 3dmark benchmark shows the 480 beating the 980. And we now know that the 8gb is 230$.
Yet you're saying that for 250$, you would still recommend that a friend buys a weaker, second-hand 4gb 980? Or save 30$ and get the even weaker 970.
What even is this.
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Future of GPU cooling ? http://www.techpowerup.com/223045/colorfuls-unique-air-liquid-cooling-solution-pictured


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 09:43    Post subject:
Some info regarding overclocking limitations:

https://xdevs.com/guide/pascal_oc/


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 10:16    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
Some info regarding overclocking limitations:

https://xdevs.com/guide/pascal_oc/


This info is for LN2 overclockers, why post here hard mods, since people are scared even with stock voltage overclocking.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 10:40    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
About 1,5 hour of Witcher 3 wiith 1080 SLI at 4K:



Jesus H Christ.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 11:33    Post subject:
Royalgamer06 wrote:
Do you guys think the RX480 will run on a 650W PSU?

LOL of course it will.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 11:34    Post subject:
This should be interesting. Ill prolly buy the 1070 then if the 480 proves to be 90% of its perf.at half the price ill return it and get the latter instead. Kinda sad about my 970 resale value going to shit but whatevs.

Though a bit suspicious about the NDA. If they got such a great card on their hands why not send it to reviewers and wreck 1070s sales?

Either their marketing dept is retarded or there's more to the story than meets the eye.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 11:52    Post subject:
Supposedly they seeded the cards to reviewers during that Macau event, they just can't publish reviews until it hits shelves on the 29th...This way they just freeze the market. Those wanting to go for 1070 are encouraged to wait for benchmarks of 1070, and honestly I'd be pissed if it was for nothing. We shall see. (I think it's pretty clear that it won't match 1070 performance of course, but if it's just behind at much better price, it'd be still worth it over 1070).

Also on 13th there may be some more news regarding Polaris, I hope:
http://www.pcgamingshow.com/
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 12:11    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
escalibur wrote:
About 1,5 hour of Witcher 3 wiith 1080 SLI at 4K:



Jesus H Christ.


4K Gaming in SLI is here
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 12:27    Post subject:
Especially on something as sys-rapey as TW3, this is damned impressive. Though.. heh.. a pair of 1080s is going to set the average person back $1200++ Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 12:36    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming 8G


http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/galax-inno3d-msi-geforce-gtx-1070/

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so sexy. I don't think i'll ever be buying another brand anymore until MSI flops. Best cooler and OC potential i've had from a GPU ever with this 970. I can already see a 2200mhz 1070 with a custom bios to disable derp clock dropping in my rig. So Much Win



Too bad I won't be able to afford it right away. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 12:59    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Especially on something as sys-rapey as TW3, this is damned impressive. Though.. heh.. a pair of 1080s is going to set the average person back $1200++ Laughing


2x1070 might do the trick
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 13:00    Post subject:
Aye, could do, they're supposedly *very* close to 1080 in terms of performance.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 13:37    Post subject:
Lukxxx wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
Especially on something as sys-rapey as TW3, this is damned impressive. Though.. heh.. a pair of 1080s is going to set the average person back $1200++ Laughing


2x1070 might do the trick

I thought they might so I looked at the video. Sadly, once the player reached Toussaint, his FPS went down to 60. Before that, it was possible. (It was hanging around 75 to 80)
A comprehensive benchmark said that the 1070 was, *on average*, 88% of the 1080. In Witcher 3 it was slightly lower than this, having 75% of its performance at 1440p.
If 2x1080 reaches 60fps, we can expect the 1070s to reach 45.
If the player was willing to reduce some of the effects (disabling hairworks, disable the Post-Process AA which the author of the video said he enabled later in the video AND had a performance hit), we might be able to bump this up a bit. But I'd be surprised if it got high enough to get to 60. Reducing Shadows and View Distance should allow 60fps, I think, but might not be a good idea in Toussaint (due to the visual design of the place).

Still, it would offer great 4K performance even if it doesn't get 60fps.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 13:41    Post subject:
those 1080s were also overclocked to over 2000mhz, and there were parts where fps was just little over 60fps, in other words impossible task for 1070s to get 60fps (unless you can OC them to 2200-2300mhz levels both stable).
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 13:53    Post subject:
In one of the online stores in Polandball I see that custom EVGA 1080 cards are 500 pln (standard card) and 300 pln (supercharged) cheaper than the crappy FE. That's 113/68 euros respectively. Nice. Hoepfully we can see similar drops on 1070s. This would take the price below 2000 pln Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 13:55    Post subject:
Concerning the AOTS image quality controversy
Quote:

Hi. Now that I'm off of my 10-hour airplane ride to Oz, and I have reliable internet, I can share some insight.

System specs:

CPU: i7 5930K
RAM: 32GB DDR4-2400Mhz
Motherboard: Asrock X99M Killer
GPU config 1: 2x Radeon RX 480 @ PCIE 3.0 x16 for each GPU
GPU config 2: Founders Edition GTX 1080
OS: Win 10 64bit
AMD Driver: 16.30-160525n-230356E
NV Driver: 368.19

In Game Settings for both configs: Crazy Settings | 1080P | 8x MSAA | VSYNC OFF

Ashes Game Version: v1.12.19928

Benchmark results:

2x Radeon RX 480 - 62.5 fps | Single Batch GPU Util: 51% | Med Batch GPU Util: 71.9 | Heavy Batch GPU Util: 92.3% GTX 1080 – 58.7 fps | Single Batch GPU Util: 98.7%| Med Batch GPU Util: 97.9% | Heavy Batch GPU Util: 98.7%

The elephant in the room:

Ashes uses procedural generation based on a randomized seed at launch. The benchmark does look slightly different every time it is run. But that, many have noted, does not fully explain the quality difference people noticed.

At present the GTX 1080 is incorrectly executing the terrain shaders responsible for populating the environment with the appropriate amount of snow. The GTX 1080 is doing less work to render AOTS than it otherwise would if the shader were being run properly. Snow is somewhat flat and boring in color compared to shiny rocks, which gives the illusion that less is being rendered, but this is an incorrect interpretation of how the terrain shaders are functioning in this title.

The content being rendered by the RX 480--the one with greater snow coverage in the side-by-side (the left in these images)--is the correct execution of the terrain shaders.

So, even with fudgy image quality on the GTX 1080 that could improve their performance a few percent, dual RX 480 still came out ahead.

As a parting note, I will mention we ran this test 10x prior to going on-stage to confirm the performance delta was accurate. Moving up to 1440p at the same settings maintains the same performance delta within +/-1%.


Also in the replies
Quote:

Thanks for the post, may I ask one question though? When it's claimed that there is only 51% GPU utilization does that mean 51% of each GPU is being utilized or that the performance scaling is equivalent to 151% of a single card?

AMD_Robert
Scaling is 151% of a single card.



https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4m692q/concerning_the_aots_image_quality_controversy/
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 14:21    Post subject:
Drowning_witch wrote:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming 8G


http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/galax-inno3d-msi-geforce-gtx-1070/

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so sexy. I don't think i'll ever be buying another brand anymore until MSI flops. Best cooler and OC potential i've had from a GPU ever with this 970. I can already see a 2200mhz 1070 with a custom bios to disable derp clock dropping in my rig. So Much Win



Too bad I won't be able to afford it right away. Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 14:41    Post subject:
That "gaming" cooler is crap, atleast on 980ti, can pretty easily reach 80s with stock voltage overclocks, some extra heatpipes would not hurt.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 15:18    Post subject:
Hm seems the 480 might be 13% slower (just reading stuffz didn't do the math myself since i cba) than the 1070 at 47% lower price...

BUT.. in ashes which is biased towards AMD anyway.

So in other words, still thinking 1070 will be the right choice since you want that dx11 perf as well.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 15:25    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
That "gaming" cooler is crap, atleast on 980ti, can pretty easily reach 80s with stock voltage overclocks, some extra heatpipes would not hurt.


For now no matter what Pascal is locked to 1,25V at the maximum. Sure different coolers are weaker than others but for now we can forget about hardcore overclocking unless someone finds a soft mod.







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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2016 15:27    Post subject:
many people already tried it, softmod via bios etc and even hardwaremods with soldering. doenst work to bypass that lock @ 1,25V
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