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Lopin18




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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 13:45    Post subject:
That golden punch to the face.
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 13:46    Post subject:
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Bottom line:

Zoe Quinn and her ilk’s message is as clear as it is pathetic: Game developers like myself better blacklist people they deem unacceptable or they’ll face the wrath of their mob and sympathetic game journalists.

Here’s the problem, Zoe. You misunderstand how the game industry actually functions outside your hugbox: Everyone deserves an opportunity to work in this industry. Their talent, hard work, and merit determine how successful they are. Not their politics. Not who they are friends with. Not whether they’re a man or a woman. Not what color they are. Talent. Hard work. Merit.

Learn it. Live it.


Fucking told.
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 14:28    Post subject:


Facepalm

That's a feminist manifesto of the 21st century alright.
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 16:05    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 17:06    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxQ7ZaGFcK8

Facepalm

That's a feminist manifesto of the 21st century alright.


I was just watching this at work and the dog (we got a cute puppy in the office) started barking like mad. She recognized the call of other bitches Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 17:21    Post subject:
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Neon wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxQ7ZaGFcK8

Facepalm

That's a feminist manifesto of the 21st century alright.



Simone de Beauvoir wrote:
It is vain to apportion praise and blame. The truth is that if the vicious circle is so hard to break, it is because the two sexes are each the victim at once of the other and of itself. Between two adversaries confronting each other in their pure liberty, an agreement could be easily reached: the more so as the war profits neither. But the complexity of the whole affair derives from the fact that each camp is giving aid and comfort to the enemy; woman is pursuing a dream of submission, man a dream of identification. Want of authenticity does not pay: each blames the other for the unhappiness he or she has incurred in yielding to the temptations of the easy way; what man and woman loathe in each other is the shattering frustration of each one's own bad faith and baseness.


And that's a feminist manifesto (yeah, not really a manifesto, but you get what I mean) of the 20th century.


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2014 23:56    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 00:16    Post subject:
I'm not sure where they're going with this. Are they working to change males at a genetic level? I'm not sure what this constant bickering about timeless issues is going to achieve. Some things can be worked out, but others.. Not so much, and also far from exclusive to gaming.
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 00:20    Post subject:
@Inter

Previous page.


This is pretty funny though:



(they are the people featured in the above video)
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 00:30    Post subject:
Jesus.

Oh and I'll give you one guess as to where Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian live. Seriously, there's definitely something in the water up there.
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 00:37    Post subject:
Well, they do say that if you're going to San Francisco you're gonna meet some gentle people with flowers in their hair.
Must be the only city in the world where everyone has a vagina.


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 00:44    Post subject:
San Francisco, the Stockholm of America Cool Face


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 01:02    Post subject:
San Francisco is like the San Francisco of the world. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 01:26    Post subject:
Radicalus wrote:
San Francisco is like the San Francisco of the world. Very Happy


You underestimate Stockholm, they are more progressive in every field! Not just women! Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 04:29    Post subject:
oh shit, i really need to watch all of Two Ronnies some day
awesome
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 05:39    Post subject:
shole wrote:
oh shit, i really need to watch all of Two Ronnies some day
awesome


That right there is perfect for today right now Very Happy funniest shit ever
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 10:19    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
@Inter

Previous page.


This is pretty funny though:



(they are the people featured in the above video)






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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 10:24    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
San Francisco, the Stockholm of America Cool Face

I'd say Gothenburg is more extreme in that regard Sad
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 11:45    Post subject:
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I really enjoy being a woman in our culture because I am aware that there are no actual barriers for me, except maybe my physical capacities.
I am glad that your fiancee feels this way and while there are a lot of bad self-proclaimed "feminist" cunts, there are also plenty of misogynist pricks, who will try to hamper the career advancements of your fiancee, just because she is a woman. Whenever my sis-in-law tells asking people, that she is studying informatics, most men act surprised. A woman studying informatics? YES, that is angering when you see in their eyes "But you are a woman?!".
And some assholes actually say, why don't you study something more fitting, for example sociology without even knowing her the slightest...


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 13:33    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Neon wrote:
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I really enjoy being a woman in our culture because I am aware that there are no actual barriers for me, except maybe my physical capacities.
I am glad that your fiancee feels this way and while there are a lot of bad self-proclaimed "feminist" cunts, there are also plenty of misogynist pricks, who will try to hamper the career advancements of your fiancee, just because she is a woman. Whenever my sis-in-law tells asking people, that she is studying informatics, most men act surprised. A woman studying informatics? YES, that is angering when you see in their eyes "But you are a woman?!".
And some assholes actually say, why don't you study something more fitting, for example sociology without even knowing her the slightest...

I studied informatics (computer science) and in a class of 50 guys we had 4 girls. I sometimes talked to two of these girls and the topic came up a few times as well and they said that it's mainly the older generation that is so traditional and that the younger people don't have any such preconceptions. They both graduated and got jobs quite quickly compared to my other (male) friends so I think it's really not that black & white and depends on who you deal with.

In Flanders, people are generally very progressive and only the "old generation" (read: baby boomers) still have such sexist views.
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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 13:54    Post subject:
My sis-in-law faces this stuff with young people that she works with (in their 20s) so that is really strange from my pov aswell. I mean I also studied informatics and we had maybe 4-5girls in 250 but times have changed fast. She says that close to a quarter of the people that are in the first semestar are female.

Out of her small group of 4 girls, she and another girl do all the work, while the other two just copy the results and don't understand shit.

Same was for me though with my friends during studies. I'd make the homework and some would just copy because they didn't grasp it at all...


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 13:57    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
@Inter

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This is pretty funny though:



(they are the people featured in the above video)


That big EQ is loooooooooooooooooooooong overdue.. That part of the earth needs to be cleansed by mother nature Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Dec 2014 14:07    Post subject:
It all depends why men act surprised, I don't think it's that odd to act surprised when a woman says she studies something that isn't that common among women. Informatics is a broad term tho...

When I worked as a PC technician 12 years ago, we were 3 guys and 8 woman. Some customers were surprised by that (women and men) because that part of IT jobs is usually not that much represented by women. Especially not 12 years ago. The huge majority was surprised just because it was odd, nothing more to it.

It's good when you can work in that kind of environment, where people are just valued for their performance instead of anything else.

So yeah experiences can differ vastly by things like location and such.


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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2014 10:59    Post subject:
having played MMO's for a long time myself, i have seen ALOT of what she just said. And it's quite fucking pathetic.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2014 11:54    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
having played MMO's for a long time myself, i have seen ALOT of what she just said. And it's quite fucking pathetic.

The last MMO I played, ESO, I played (and roleplayed - it was a RP guild) a female elf and I was amazed by how much free stuff I got. In fact, when trading, I always got a much better deal than on my male wizard. I was often even GIVEN crafting mats and when I was losing a battle, someone would often swoop in and help me out.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2014 12:28    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Dec 2014 23:03    Post subject:
I've only peeped this thread a few times but feel this belongs here. I'm sorry if it's a re-post.



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