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Phil2003




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:18    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
God damn you people, if you force me into trying Windows 8.1 and I don't like it again, heads are going to roll Mad


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Vikerness




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:18    Post subject:
8.1 64x since released

Start8 on it

Never had any problem with it xD


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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:27    Post subject:
deadpoetic wrote:
rgb#000 wrote:
any win7 vs win8 benchmarks for DAI? i hear it runs significantly better on win8 (kinda like BF4 did before numerous patches).


Doesnt everything runs better with Win 8.1?

nope, usually there is no difference between win7 and 8, but for some reason frostbite engine works better on win8, that's why i wonder if it's the same in this game as well.
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TiHKAL




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:28    Post subject:
I made the leap to 8.1 as well. I'm using classic shell. The only part I dislike is how it handles multiple monitors.


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tolanri




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:30    Post subject:
TiHKAL wrote:
I made the leap to 8.1 as well. I'm using classic shell. The only part I dislike is how it handles multiple monitors.


StartIsBack + DisplayFusion + Glass8 = No Problem Here? Smile
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Overlord123




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:31    Post subject:
I'm using Win8 since beta and never looked back. Smile
With ClassicShell of course.
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:37    Post subject:
Divvy wrote:


Running around Redcliffe, this is one of the most demanding spots I could find. 1080p everything maxed out inc. MSAA. As one can see, GPU utilization isn't maxed out but FPS is below v-sync limit. Any single GPU would certainly max out GPU utilization at that spot on those settings though.

On that same very spot, with my R9 290 and 2500K, at 1080p with everything maxed out, except no AA and 120% resolution scaling, I am getting 40FPS with 100% CPU and GPU load. Both under Mantle and DX11.

Reducing resolution scale to 100% gave me additional 10 FPS.
Dropping to 80%, gave yet another 10 FPS.
Adding +40Mhz to my GPU core gave me 4 FPS.
Seems that I am purely GPU bound at this location.

Then again, on Mantle, my CPU is usually stays under 100%, but on this location it goes full 100%

EDIT: Checked more under DX11:
100% resolution scale gives me 4-5 FPS.
80% makes no difference in FPS and GPU load becomes unstable (spiking all over from 30% to 100%)
Going by that, it seems it's the same old DX11/Driver overhead issue we need dem low-level APIs for.
Nvidia GPUs should scale better under DX11 than my Radeon though.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:51    Post subject:
Is AMD supposed to update their drivers for better Mantle support or are they waiting for Bioware to fix it? For a supposedly AMD optimised game, it's not very AMD/Mantle optimised Sad
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 16:58    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Is AMD supposed to update their drivers for better Mantle support or are they waiting for Bioware to fix it? For a supposedly AMD optimised game, it's not very AMD/Mantle optimised Sad

I think there was a response by AMD person posted somewhere... They basically said that dealing with performance issues is for game developers (which makes sense, since that was the point of the API - reduce/remove dependencies on the driver tweaks), but they are always looking to improve things via driver if it's needed.
For BF4, pretty much all the tweaks and fixes for Mantle came from Frostbite people, so I assume it remains the same here.

Either way, I am actually playing on Mantle now - it's running better if you have VSync disabled. Haven is more prone to random hitching, but Hinterlands and some mission areas seemed to run just fine. No noticeable loading time difference either, once I moved the game to my SSD.
And as seen from my previous post - the low overhead does help in some cases Smile
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H4wkeye




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:04    Post subject:
Where the fuck is the patch though? Been like what two weeks since release now. They are slow as fuck with patches.
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prudislav
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:09    Post subject:
H4wkeye wrote:
Where the fuck is the patch though? Been like what two weeks since release now. They are slow as fuck with patches.

The are waiting for crack to appear to deploy Denuvo 2.0 on the patch
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dsergei




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:10    Post subject:
That's the beauty of the multi-platform era. EA has been reluctant to push patches separately on the PC in the past and certification takes a shitload of time for both MS and Sony.
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:16    Post subject:
Well, if people are waiting for control changes, balancing tweaks and other gameplay changes, than this can take a while all by itself. More work, more testing.
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:18    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
Either way, I am actually playing on Mantle now - it's running better if you have VSync disabled. Haven is more prone to random hitching, but Hinterlands and some mission areas seemed to run just fine. No noticeable loading time difference either, once I moved the game to my SSD.
And as seen from my previous post - the low overhead does help in some cases Smile

Don't you get massive tearing with Vsync disabled? I sure do in this game. Mantle does actually give more frames, but it's just not smooth. Maybe my OCed 3570 can't handle all the CPU spikes.
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DaLexy




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:18    Post subject:
speedgear wrote:
Areius wrote:
Windows 8.1 is fine, just disable Metro and add start menu back. Works much better than 7 (imo).



8.1 64x since released, no regrets at all


Classic Shell on it.


/signed

I switched back once to Win 7 x64 and it was slow, you could feel the difference !

But i must admit that Win 7 is still a solid system and prolly will be, it did for sure well better than Win 8 !
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:29    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
MinderMast wrote:
Either way, I am actually playing on Mantle now - it's running better if you have VSync disabled. Haven is more prone to random hitching, but Hinterlands and some mission areas seemed to run just fine. No noticeable loading time difference either, once I moved the game to my SSD.
And as seen from my previous post - the low overhead does help in some cases Smile

Don't you get massive tearing with Vsync disabled? I sure do in this game. Mantle does actually give more frames, but it's just not smooth. Maybe my OCed 3570 can't handle all the CPU spikes.

Not a whole lot of visible tearing, to be honest (could be down to a 120Hz screen somehow)
Smoothness could be an issue indeed, but it's hard to tell when the game is running under 50 FPS anyway, and with areas with higher frame rate it seems to run pretty well so far.
If I reach a point when it becomes too unstable, I'll switch back.
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Lithy




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 17:45    Post subject:
h0rnyfavn wrote:
@Lithy
Ah..it's a romance quest. I haven't done it and the guide doesn't specifically say where this merchant is, only the general location.

Quote:
I somehow got that amulet and already gave back to Dorian


How did you do it? Confused


I had additional selection during the conversation I think. SO I ma not sure if that is this same guy or not....
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Supermax2004
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 18:05    Post subject:
Adaptive Vsync is an option for Nvidia cards. Enables Vsync at 60fps and disables it once under 60. Im using it.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 18:15    Post subject:


High preset. Medium Tessellation. Medium Shadows. Ultra PP. HBAO Full. No MSAA.

50-60% CPU across all cores (i5-2500k @ 4Ghz) and 89% GPU. 50fps.

Tell me again how this is a perfectly running game. Dazzle me. Please, I'm all ears.

~edit~



44fps, 86% GPU, 74% CPU. Glorious.

(I symlinked it to the SSD and loading times are phenomenal now though, loads in SECONDS rather than the minute+ it took before)
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fable2




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 18:26    Post subject:
Blame Nvidia Cool Face
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Drowning_witch




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 18:37    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:


Tell me again how this is a perfectly running game. Dazzle me. Please, I'm all ears.


Time for Mcwindows? Cool Face

I'll be the last hold out till win 10 it seems Very Happy
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 18:59    Post subject:
@sabin1981

Copied your settings:


Runs great for me - your argument is invalid Cool Face
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 19:01    Post subject:
Sure it is mate, sure it is. Funny how you get 100% load across both CPU/GPU but so many others don't. I'm sure you'll have an answer for that too =) I like how you've magically almost doubled my framerate on the same settings too. Great stuff!
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 19:03    Post subject:
They call it Mantle Razz

EDIT: Dammit, I wish I had the banter bug - just missed out on some while having this minimized in borderless window.
Put my headphones on and all I heard was "Ha! That was pretty good!"
Now I'll never know what was pretty good Sad
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 19:21    Post subject:
@sabin1981: I'm getting 30-45 fps with the settings below. With your card (780GTX right?) you should be able to pull it off easily if my HD7970 can do it. I'm not using Mantle btw.

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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 19:21    Post subject:
Well I've given up struggling to get a decent framerate whilst still maintaining settings that don't end up looking like a PS2 game, so I just locked the framerate to 30 Crying or Very sad

Mister_s wrote:
@sabin1981: I'm getting 30-45 fps with the settings below. With your card (780GTX right?) you should be able to pull it off easily if my HD7970 can do it. I'm not using Mantle btw.


Yup, on full Ultra I'd get 35-45 but it feels terrible to constantly fluctuate and high doesn't fare much better - "Medium" is an almost constant 60 lock, grr. The game definitely favours AMD hardware. Anyway, thanks to those that aren't spewing the "works fine for me, must be you" bullshit as any help trying to get this running properly has been appreciated Smile
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briangw




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 20:00    Post subject:
MinderMast, what app are you using for the fan speed of your graphics card?
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fable2




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 20:06    Post subject:
That's GPU-Z i'm pretty sure
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 20:16    Post subject:
Yeah, that's GPU-Z, although pretty much any proper monitoring software should show you GPU fan speed. Afterburner will let you control it as well, for example.

As for AMD bias in the game - under DX11 it's not really that apparent. I get capped at around 45 FPS as well when it hits the CPU bottleneck in large crowded areas. I can only get proper scaling under Mantle when that happens.
I suspect this will be the norm until DX12 hits.
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ragnarus




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2014 20:22    Post subject: ...
Sabin is another proof that this game is probably even bigger performance fail than ACU, I mean seriously official minimum and recomended req are way below sabin pc and this is bullshit.


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