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and yet blueyonder an unknown company does? NTL only sells 2mb at £30 because that's the price of the market at the time. Of course for now they're screwed at attracting new customers but it's not all lost.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 14:36 Post subject: |
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Sublime: Blue Yonder, an unknown company? Ever hear of Telewest or Cable & Wireless? Same company. They are one of the largest cable suppliers in the country. Blue Yonder is just the name of their ISP division 
Cheers for the heads up, Jenni. 10MB sounds good to me providing there's no limit as I can easily get through 80GB a month in downloads. I heard they were giving us another upgrade but I didn't realise it would be so much. Last time we only got 50% increase.
Can you prove that they will be bringing in limits? As far as I am aware, Telewest and NTL merged months ago (I have friends that work there) and there have been no changes in service so I imagine it will only be on the high speed lines to conserve bandwidth. Even then, they will have a lot of pissed off customers (including me) as Telewest uses its unlimited service as its main selling point which is the reason I (and many others) chose their service in the first place.
http://www.telewest.co.uk/websales/service.do?id=2
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 16:53 Post subject: |
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Cable and wireless is NTL  and NTL is the UK's biggest ISP.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 17:20 Post subject: |
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Hahahahaha, whats the good news? Sounds like going form crap to middle crap
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2005 17:41 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | Cable and wireless is NTL and NTL is the UK's biggest ISP. |
Yes Subby. And Bkueblunder will knuckle under to NTL's demands. IE a cap. |
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 05:31 Post subject: |
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| DABhandUK wrote: | | This is to stop customers going to Bulldog which offers 8mb lines and monthly contracts and a introductory low price for a few months. |
They can't go to Bulldog because don't forget you have signed a 12 months contract!
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 05:37 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | I use AOL, and it's shit! What do you recommend? |
LOL, well change duh to NTL or Telecomplus (wicked discount deals on telecomplus, well PM and i'll tell you)
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 13:33 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 29th Aug 2005 21:46 Post subject: |
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I have the Blueyonder 4Mb service, and i am looking forward to being upgraded to 10mb plus a 15 quid discount per month.
I am from Scotland and i dont think NTL are up here, forgive me if im wrong but it is mostly Telewest
and BT ADSL.
If they do put a cap on they will piss off alot of very good and loyal customers, depending on how much the cap is tho, im sure i could live with about 20GiG a day hehe.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 16:29 Post subject: |
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Some truths
1. NTL is in debt and does have a 10mb line
2. Telewest are not in debt, they make a fortune.
3. NTL and Telewest wont be joining together.
4. They wont CAP, they (BY) have 50mb lines planned for July 2007 and 75/100mb by 2010.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 16:30 Post subject: |
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| donny898 wrote: | | DABhandUK wrote: | | This is to stop customers going to Bulldog which offers 8mb lines and monthly contracts and a introductory low price for a few months. |
They can't go to Bulldog because don't forget you have signed a 12 months contract! |
Yeah I signed a 12month contract about 3 yrs ago. Whats stopping me from leaving, which I wont anyways!
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 20:36 Post subject: |
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Well NTL plans to unload ADSL 2 by the end of the year and they're 15mb minimum i think. plus 2mb is more than enough to game etc.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 21:31 Post subject: |
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| DABhandUK wrote: | Some truths
1. NTL is in debt and does have a 10mb line
2. Telewest are not in debt, they make a fortune.
3. NTL and Telewest wont be joining together.
4. They wont CAP, they (BY) have 50mb lines planned for July 2007 and 75/100mb by 2010. |
WHAT!! LMAO!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3504550.stm
I think you'll find that they are in debt.
Which is why they had to sort out a debt reduction plan.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds17506.html
NTL and Telewest will be merging.
Give me your proof of a 50mb line. |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 21:38 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | DABhandUK wrote: | Some truths
1. NTL is in debt and does have a 10mb line
2. Telewest are not in debt, they make a fortune.
3. NTL and Telewest wont be joining together.
4. They wont CAP, they (BY) have 50mb lines planned for July 2007 and 75/100mb by 2010. |
WHAT!! LMAO!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3504550.stm
I think you'll find that they are in debt.
Which is why they had to sort out a debt reduction plan.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds17506.html
NTL and Telewest will be merging.
Give me your proof of a 50mb line. |
50MB line? Who has a 50mb line? U know how much that would cost? goddamn...the cheapest rate (ive found) in canada for a 100MB line is 999.99 bucks...I dont know why they just dont make it an even grand but still....a 50mb line must cost atleast 600 bucks |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 21:43 Post subject: |
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You sir are an idiot to post that, that a stink hole isp in Canada sucks doesnt mean it is world wide standard, that you get screwed by corporation, doesnt mean its a standard. 10 mbits is 30 euros in Sweden, 50 mbits dsl is around the same in Tokyo.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 21:50 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | DABhandUK wrote: | Some truths
1. NTL is in debt and does have a 10mb line
2. Telewest are not in debt, they make a fortune.
3. NTL and Telewest wont be joining together.
4. They wont CAP, they (BY) have 50mb lines planned for July 2007 and 75/100mb by 2010. |
WHAT!! LMAO!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3504550.stm
I think you'll find that they are in debt.
Which is why they had to sort out a debt reduction plan.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds17506.html
NTL and Telewest will be merging.
Give me your proof of a 50mb line. |
WHAT!! LMAO!!!
In debt? Yeeeaaahhhhhh....... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4142178.stm
http://ir.telewest.co.uk/phoenix.zhtml?c=76808&p=irol-newsArticle&t=Regular&id=742232&
"The bandwidth upgrades planned for September will meet the requirements of most consumers and the applications and content currently available online. But plans are already in place to accommodate further speed increases beyond 10Mb next year, should the market dictate. And with the advent of DOCSIS 3 or ethernet to the home, cable services of up to 50Mbp/s could be possible in 2007."
Those articles you provided are a pretty damn old, how you came across them now I am unsure. If you check out there most recent quarterly reports I think you'lll find they are doing a hell of a lot better than same time last year .
Example? Gross income:
Three Months Ended June 30, 2005
19 Million...
Three Months Ended June 30, 2004
Minus 126 Million...
Source: http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/76/768/76808/items/162388/EarningsReleaseQ2052.pdf
Go figure.
As for merging, yes it is ofcourse possible. It would mean more money for both parties, but as for Telewest sinking if they don't merge, not a chance. Me... I don't think they will merge, only time will tell.
Next time you should really look for up to date information or at least research first. Either that or don't reply to someone trying making them look like an idiot when you are obviously wrong.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 22:35 Post subject: |
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yeah, but it prolly only applies to Japanese sites...they prolly get the usual 800kb-1mb off any non jap server/site....off the WWW, I get anywhere from between 700kb - 1mb, so i dont think there is much of a difference in the quality of service available
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 23:06 Post subject: |
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Midget, since when does a profit mean they're out of debt?
Oooh 19 million. Ohh that should just cover the interest on a debt of 3 billion.
Or rather not.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 23:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2005 23:28 Post subject: |
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No. Because it's simple. They had to go to the bank cap in hand and ask for a debt reduction plan.
Telewest said its debt-restructuring deal, which will give 98.5% of the company to creditors, should be completed by summer.
So in other words. They are in total debt.
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Aug 2005 21:43 Post subject: |
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Jenni, phone up their services and ask about 50mb lines.
I run a shop, I am reseller of Telewest broadband, I hear the juicy gossip.
TW has been making profit since 9 months ago. Im sure the trend will continue for the next 3 months.
And as the local rep told me, there is no way they are merging with NTL. They wont be able to pay off their debts let alone their own (even if they are making profit)
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Aug 2005 23:27 Post subject: |
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There may well be talks, but that doesnt mean a 100% merger
Why not have people deal with talks? Its common sense to get professionals involved.
They have had no debts from the last 9 months, it has been profit, they have A debt, but they are not in debt.
Job losses happen, its not a big thing.
If a merger was going through, why would Telewest be providing a 10mb service around the time?
Did you phone up to enquire about the 50mb line yet? Which makes you think why are their think-tanks mulling over the 50mb line in 2007 if they were going to merge also.
Your thoughts?
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Aug 2005 23:47 Post subject: |
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Well why not have a 50mb line?
It's a good selling point for both NTL and Telewest.
They may have a debt but are not in debt?
Tell me, why do you think Telewest culled their Blue Yonder gaming service?
Because they needed the cash elsewhere.
I never said 100% merger, but it is on the cards.
You see, NTL want to compete with BskyB. Since British Satellite broadcasting went belly up, no provider of cable services can even come close to Sky. As the CEO of NTL said, it's like fighting an 800 pound gorilla. With those companies merged, they will be a real threat to Sky.
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Aug 2005 23:56 Post subject: |
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The reason they culled their Gaming service was for the simple fact that nobody was subscribing to it (when I mean nobody I mean it wasnt a huge success, so why waste resources on it?)
The debt thing, its a business thing, if your recording debts for two years then you can consider yourself a sinking ship. You see companies prefer to go with monthly or quartly reports on current situation.
Every company has a debt, wether they make profit per month/quarter is another thing.
Right now, Telewest are more financial secure than NTL, they can see this and know they can continue to make profit. On the other hand why merge with NTL, when NTL is recording loses all the time, soon they will be ready for picking and Telewest if succesful can move into their areas.
If my business was successful and another wanting to take over (yes NTL actually wants to take over Telewest) and they are recording loses for months. I wouldnt give it to them. I personally wouldnt want to see my pride and joy ruined.
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You're wrong with the first sentence for a start. The gaming was a huge success. But Telewest in the infinite wisdom still closed it. I know this for a fact. The guy that ran it I know and have known for years. Long before he joined Telewest from Wireplay.
Do you honestly think that Telewest will have a choice in the matter? After all the creditors own more than 98% of it.
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