Sony KDL40V3000 60hz to be replaced by Panny 50GT50 plasma.
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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:31    Post subject: Sony KDL40V3000 60hz to be replaced by Panny 50GT50 plasma.
Ive been gaming pc for 4 years now on a LCD Sony KDL40V3000 60 Hz, first Sony that came with Full HD and i am about to buy a new tv set. I am wondering which one to buy if Samsung UN46ES8000 LCD or Panasonic 50GT50 Plasma. I dont have much choices where im from. Playing games in my old Sony like medal of honor warfighter or battlefield 3 wont notice any input lag when i press keys , but maybe is because i have adapted to it and really dont see the difference. Will there be any difference at all on smoothingness or response time if i invest on either of these 2 sets? I really dont know much thats why im starting this thread. Any feedback will help a lot.


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:33    Post subject:
From what I read, the Samsung models have awful viewing angles, as well as the "smart" software is ridiculously awful. So if color uniformity and precision is important to you, I wouldn't take the Samsung.
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:39    Post subject:
yep that i found early today doing some research, about the viewing angle pro for Panasonic. I am not waiting for Oled tho must wait 3 years or so to see how it evolves. I really dont know much about plasmas or if the gt50 will do any difference compared to the old sony lcd of 60 hz


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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:43    Post subject:
anyways theres got to be a difference in input lag or any other thing, im just so adapted to 60 hz and never tried any other model, so im doing the blind folded jump over the niagaras.
I also own gtx 580 on sli.


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:48    Post subject:
Do you have LG in your options?
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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:52    Post subject:
well any advise would be welcomed, Today a friend told me for a LG but it would have to be LCD LG, since we dont have plasma LG where i live or wait there are, check this out

http://www.ktronix.com/tv/televisores?fabricante=257


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:53    Post subject:
what u have to say about LG then? LCD or Plasma is it better than the 2 i posted previously.


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 07:56    Post subject:
that Plasma Lg model is pretty cheap on that website


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 08:27    Post subject:
I dislike Plasma technology generally, so you won't hear me ever say "get that instead of LCD". But I think a LED IPS panel, like the other thread, is best solution for now. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 12:17    Post subject:
The input lag of Panasonic Plasma has sadly gone up, because they figured almost noone cares Rolling Eyes. Not to bad levels compared to other televisions, but the 16ms lag does not hold anymore.

Test of the 42" version of the GT50 http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42gt50b-201208142085.htm . Very good review site in general.
They found 24ms input lag compared to crt with the camera method. There is now a different method, which directly measures input lag and generally yields much higher input lag.
There are users in germany that definitely complained over the increased inputlag (very few of course).

Picture wise I would definitely take the GT50 over any LCD, because I prefer the areas at which Plasmas generally excell (ansi contrast, uniformity, native motion sharpness). Burn-in can be an issue which is why i cannot recommend one for normal usage, even though I would use one, and there are other issues. I would not buy a current plasma without a guarantee to get a full refund. They skip on too much QA these days.
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 15:11    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
From what I read, the Samsung models have awful viewing angles, as well as the "smart" software is ridiculously awful. So if color uniformity and precision is important to you, I wouldn't take the Samsung.


Series 8 is nothing like the lower series in the Samsung series. But they're pricey as hell.


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 16:49    Post subject:
Plasma tech is dead. Some manufacturers reducing their plasma TVs range by half this year, so it wouldn't surprise me if by 2014-15 there won't be any more plasmas produces at all.

OLED is on our doorsteps and I can hardly wait any more, soooooo tired of Plasmas and LCDs and all the numerous downsides of both techs.

In the mean time I would recommend getting a decent LCD it should last you until OLED is more mainstream and affordable Wink
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 18:54    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
From what I read, the Samsung models have awful viewing angles, as well as the "smart" software is ridiculously awful. So if color uniformity and precision is important to you, I wouldn't take the Samsung.


Series 8 is nothing like the lower series in the Samsung series. But they're pricey as hell.

What I said was specifically about the ES8000 models. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 19:59    Post subject:
im starting to reconsider, ill be probably buying it today or tomorrow. i just found this tv. What do you think? if this is better than plasma i might buy it. Or is there an LG better than this one?

Panasonic TC-L47WT50

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-l47wt50/4852-6482_7-35118048.html


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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 20:05    Post subject:
Panasonic TC-L47WT50 Vs LG lm8600 LED who wins this match?


http://www.ktronix.com/tv/televisores/tv-47-led-lg-47lm8600-fhd


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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 20:12    Post subject:
im not buying a plasma monitor only for one game but can imagine how Aliens Colonial marines would look on a plasma set with good deep blacks and stuff , oh and dead space 3, or maybe there wont be any difference at all with the ips led, who knows.


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 20:55    Post subject:
mcerikson wrote:
or maybe there wont be any difference at all with the ips led, who knows.
in the dark there is no LCD that wins in contrast duel in terms of inpicture contrast. Smile
And there are even huge differences between the upto 50" inch Panasonics and 65" Panasonics Wink

Intel_NVIDIA wrote:
Plasma tech is dead.
Not yet and I doubt we wont see plasmas next year. Im still hoping that Panasonic surpasses the pioneer plasmas in terms of contrast. Then I could forget OLED for quite a while Razz
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 21:21    Post subject:
lolz there goes trolling Oleds


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 21:37    Post subject:
since i'm NOT going to spend a cent on the new 4K Sony TVs (who would?,Kim DotCom? grinhurt) i'm gonna ask something:

1.Will there be new ,40" Sony TVs that are better than the 40HX750 and 40H850 soon or later?

2.Wich's better?,SONY or SAMSUNG? (we actually own Sony TVs (20,22,40"s and no probs for now)..since i wanna upgrade by the end of this year my 22" TV to a 40" one (was considering the 40HX750 due to it's 900$ tag)

3.Any other alternatives/suggestions?...We have LG,Samsung and Sony and Panasonic over here at job...


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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 22:17    Post subject:
i have 2 sonys right now, one is kdl55nx817 which i bought last year and picture quality is very good 240 hz motion flow, and the old sony kdl40v3000 which was the first sony to come up with full hd that was back 4 and half years ago and gaming in it is quite good, starting to have dead pixels on left bottom but it hasnt break yet. I cant tell you about other brands because i havent owned any yet. But yes Sony is name brand and is good option. Today im going to make my mind for the tv that will replace sony. Oled will be available with more options next year so i wont wait.
is either ips led or plasma thats it.


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mcerikson




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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 22:24    Post subject:
Samsung is way expensive and picture bleeding, philips has good response times no imput lag, panasonic has ips technology on leds and have plasmas, lg has good feedback from many people and are afordable, we dont have toshiba here, and sony is competing with samsung.


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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 22:40    Post subject:
Are you taking into account 3D as well?

http://www.displaymate.com/3D_TV_ShootOut_1.htm
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PostPosted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2013 23:37    Post subject:
My cousin actually bought a brand new Samsung TV (not sure which type) about 3 weeks ago, with all the 3D and Smart crap. The Smart is just as bloaty and spastic as their phones, I'm sure some people like it, I didn't. Other than that the display seemed quite oversaturated as well, just like their phones.

The 3D? I'm no fan of 3D in general, it just doesn't wow me like it does other people, but what I am sure about now is that never, ever am I going to get 3D with active fucking shutters. I could very, very clearly see the flickering and it was annoying me after about 2 minutes.

All in all I wasn't impressed.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 01:43    Post subject:
It seems I'll be stuck with my tube-telly until we have true LEDTV's, ie. where each pixel is an actual LED. Will take 5-10 years before the prices are low enough on those to make them affordable but quality should be amazing.


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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 03:03    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
My cousin actually bought a brand new Samsung TV (not sure which type) about 3 weeks ago, with all the 3D and Smart crap. The Smart is just as bloaty and spastic as their phones, I'm sure some people like it, I didn't. Other than that the display seemed quite oversaturated as well, just like their phones.

The 3D? I'm no fan of 3D in general, it just doesn't wow me like it does other people, but what I am sure about now is that never, ever am I going to get 3D with active fucking shutters. I could very, very clearly see the flickering and it was annoying me after about 2 minutes.

All in all I wasn't impressed.

I don't even own a TV but my folks bought one of those " Smart " Samsung machineries (46") and believe me, I've tried to tune up the colour settings for 20 minutes without finding a decent result. xD I don't know if it's the back-illumination or the contrast which are out of control, but something doesn't seem right, it all looks "unnatural". And yes, the 3D is a gimmick (surprise surprise Razz)
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 11:42    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
I don't even own a TV but my folks bought one of those " Smart " Samsung machineries (46") and believe me, I've tried to tune up the colour settings for 20 minutes without finding a decent result. xD I don't know if it's the back-illumination or the contrast which are out of control, but something doesn't seem right, it all looks "unnatural". And yes, the 3D is a gimmick (surprise surprise Razz)

They have "smart" functionality even in low-mid range models nowadays, so having smart on a box doesn't mean TV is high end or high quality. If it wasn't very expensive of course it won't look as good as top of the line models. With HDTVs difference in picture quality between low end and high end usually is huge, well just like with monitors.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 13:24    Post subject:
Samsung has the most annoying problem ever... Its pure lottery what panel you get (even if you buy some specific model), it can have like 3 different panels.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 14:21    Post subject:
Sadly most TVs underly a very annoying lottery. Not all as extreme as a panel lottery, but lcds clouding is affected, with current panasonic plasma its linebleeding, false contouring, uniformity, with samsung plasma its also uniformity and generated noise.

I wouldn't dare buy a television without knowing that I can return it williy nilly Razz
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 17:27    Post subject:
Image retention is also a considerable issue on Panasonic plasma's, especially when playing games with a HUD. I'm very happy with my ST50 though, but never use it for gaming.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2013 17:44    Post subject:
pontus wrote:
Image retention is also a considerable issue on Panasonic plasma's
Not just Panasonic.

The biggest problem is the unpredictability. There are those who use plasma regulary for gaiming without any problems, according to them at least Razz. Others have far less luck.

@ mcerikson
Btw. Why the GT50? Are you sure you need that one or wouldn't the ST50 suffice?
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