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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:33    Post subject:
The one final remaining developer who cares about pc gamers and pc games....who made their pc-exclusive game from the ground up to be console-ready?
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:39    Post subject:
garus wrote:
DCB wrote:
The one final remaining developer who cares about pc gamers and pc games....who made their pc-exclusive game from the ground up to be console-ready?


It's still coming to PC first.


They explained the reason it will come later on consoles is because they decided to make the ports in-house and they don't have the required manpower to develop 3 versions at once. If they had, it would be multiplatform from day 1.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:41    Post subject:
My point was simply that the supposed PC messiahs are just as much console sell-outs as any other dev. In some ways it's actually worse. At least with console games ported to PC you go in knowing you are going to get a gimped experience. It's a bit much when a PC title comes out with console ports off in the future and it's gimped from the get go.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:43    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:48    Post subject:
They only care about money, as any developer does. And if they care about anything else, well, they go bankrupt.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:49    Post subject:
wow yes lets attack a developer for making their game with console capabilities in mind....

biiiiggg difference between that and making the game FOR consoles with US getting the port. i dont care if theyre making a PC game that they then PORT TO CONSOLES...

caring about pc gamers doesnt mean not releasing their games on consoles u know. it means making the game FOR the pc, with pc gamers in mind. which they did.

ill retract my statement the second they start making games for consoles then porting to pc though.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:53    Post subject:
DCB wrote:
My point was simply that the supposed PC messiahs are just as much console sell-outs as any other dev. In some ways it's actually worse. At least with console games ported to PC you go in knowing you are going to get a gimped experience. It's a bit much when a PC title comes out with console ports off in the future and it's gimped from the get go.

Well, we'll soon find out how consolized it is. Biggest problems are usually UI, lowres textures, and small/linear areas. Textures we already know are high-res so there is still hope. Razz

And who knows, maybe CDPR are so pro they can make a proper PC game work on consoles. They did amazing things with Bio's POS Aurora engine after all.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:54    Post subject:
I'm not bagging them for making a sound financial decision. I just find it laughable that everyone seems to put them up on a pedestal.

As far as ports go, I don't care if a PC game gets ported to consoles. What I don't like though is when the PC game is hamstrung from the start to make the port easy. That is building the game to suit the lowest common denominator, and is no different to what we get with any other multiplatform title with consoles as the lead dev platform. That might be a sound business strategy, which again I accept, but as a consumer it doesn't mean I have to like it.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 15:57    Post subject:
The only thing I am worried about in The Witcher 2 is the combat. Judging by the videos it doesn't look great.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 16:25    Post subject:
chiv wrote:
im not going to call out anyone who pirates this game... this game made by the one final remainng developer who cares about pc gamers and pc games... the only shining light in this miserable darkness that is pc gaming... these heros who give us quality well made products who we continually call out for to save us from the shitty mainstream developers...

chiv that's not true.
What about BIS, Paradox, Stardock, 777 studios, etc.... and I'm not referring to indie developers. However I too agree, that these PC based developers and the indies must be supported.
I don't care that they even do console games, as long they don't port them to PC.
The problem is that there's always the temptation to do a game in PC thinking in consoles.
Even if this isn't a pure port can however introduce gameplay console mechanics that will degenerate the PC version.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 16:39    Post subject:
dsergei wrote:
The only thing I am worried about in The Witcher 2 is the combat. Judging by the videos it doesn't look great.


Kinda my thoughts too. Doesn't seem to be that impressive. Ofc, it remains to be seen.

Another thing that I think will be the clear mark of console "adaptation" will be the smaller scale levels. Even Witcher 1 had some pretty big areas to explore. This doesn't seem to be the case with TW2... Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 16:47    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:
dsergei wrote:
The only thing I am worried about in The Witcher 2 is the combat. Judging by the videos it doesn't look great.


Kinda my thoughts too. Doesn't seem to be that impressive. Ofc, it remains to be seen.

Another thing that I think will be the clear mark of console "adaptation" will be the smaller scale levels. Even Witcher 1 had some pretty big areas to explore. This doesn't seem to be the case with TW2... Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 16:52    Post subject:
well it all just remains to be seen if the game sucks ass, then i wont buy the next one. simple as that.

god damn, shatner is awesome.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 16:54    Post subject:
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Well then. Everyone cancel your pre-orders, because it's coming to consoles!

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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:06    Post subject:
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Another thing that I think will be the clear mark of console "adaptation" will be the smaller scale levels. Even Witcher 1 had some pretty big areas to explore. This doesn't seem to be the case with TW2... Sad


Didnt they say exploring and bigger levels would be in Witcher 2, i'm pretty sure. Red Dead Redemption is console only and it has bigger "levels" (its not really levels) than most PC games Wink It's all about the engine, not so much about the platform. They've ditched the old engine too, so hopefully the new engine will be able to have bigger levels.

It's a big plus that he now can jump at least, a total gamebreaker in Witcher 1 imo, exploring isnt any fun at all if you cant pass a 10 cm height and have to find another route (most of the time there wasnt one since the level design was so linear and full of barriers everywhere).

Combat can't be worse than Witcher1, probably the worst combat i've seen in a RPG..
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:14    Post subject:
not jumping was a gamebreaker?! IN AN RPG?! whut? were there so many sequences in the game you thought 'shit, if only i could jump up and down, this game wouldnt suck so much'?!

and as for combat, i thought the sword combat was fun. magic didnt flow into combat very well, but the sword fighting was heaps of fun... way more than pretty much every other fantasy based rpg out there.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:15    Post subject:
garus wrote:
DCB wrote:
The one final remaining developer who cares about pc gamers and pc games....who made their pc-exclusive game from the ground up to be console-ready?


It's still coming to PC first. And it's console-ready, because they plan to release it on console too, duh Razz


I don't blame them, that's where most of the money is.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:18    Post subject:
Actually i read (not 100% sure) that with the new engine the only loading sequences are going to be between Acts. So you are free to explore the whole relatively large area for each Act. But certain places won't be available until certain plot events.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:20    Post subject:
chiv wrote:
not jumping was a gamebreaker?! IN AN RPG?! whut? were there so many sequences in the game you thought 'shit, if only i could jump up and down, this game wouldnt suck so much'?!

and as for combat, i thought the sword combat was fun. magic didnt flow into combat very well, but the sword fighting was heaps of fun... way more than pretty much every other fantasy based rpg out there.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:30    Post subject:
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Combat can't be worse than Witcher1, probably the worst combat i've seen in a RPG..

Then you ain't seen nothing, son. I'll take TW1 combat over "mash mouse button as fast as you can" seen in most other aRPGs. At least it required some attention. I just hope they didn't "fix" it to appease ppl like you and made TW2 combat boring like every other game.

edit: fixed quote Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:33    Post subject:
IMO the combat was one of the better point of witcher 1. It was a nice change from the empty button mashing. You needed to have some timing and finess when fighting enemies.
Cant wait for this, installing witcher again and will try to finish it this time...


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:48    Post subject:
First, pillermann, fix your quote and be more careful who you quote next time.

Second, the first game never had large areas, actually the areas were really small, but the content from them made sure that's not bad.

Third, the whole jumping thing didn't fit in the Aurora Engine, so sorry mate, you're "angry" at the wrong things. That wasn't really the fault of the level design.

Forth, stop saying the combat sucked. It didn't. It was fucking awesome, period. Just because some didn't like a part of a game, doesn't automatically make that part bad. If you really feel the need to say for the hundredth time that, just say that you didn't like it. Also, combat was very fluid once you mastered it, yeah, even the magic. Here I hope that I can switch the signs from the number in the second game, like I did in the first game. I really don't want to use that slow motion radial crap every fucking time I want to choose a sign, a bomb or whatever it is that I want to choose.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:54    Post subject:
The combat was literally hundreds of mini QTEs (something you guys rage about) between button mashing.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:56    Post subject:
require timing =/ QTE
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:56    Post subject:
A QTE can be good if implented right. A game where QTE takes you trough the whole game is NOT good(ala COD for example).


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 17:58    Post subject:
I love RPG´s, but somehow i could not play more than like 2 hours of the witcher. Maybe it gets better after awhile? Usually RPG sucks you in the first moment... But in the other hand witcher 2 looks fucking nice.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 18:03    Post subject:
pillermann wrote:
require timing =/ QTE


Your cursor had flames around it when you needed to press attack again for the super awesome combo moves Laughing how is that different on a basic level than "press A for super awesome attack move"?
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Apr 2011 18:03    Post subject:
Some people say the game really starts to shine Act 2 onwards. I dunno about that, it sucked me in right from the start. Very Happy
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