Anti-virus round up testing
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 20:38    Post subject: Anti-virus round up testing
http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_od_aug2010.pdf

Im personally using microsoft security essentials, used to use kaspersky but got tired of paying for it, went to nod32 but finding a good cracked one and keeping it that way got old. Now im on MSE which really isn't all that bad.

I still like nod32 better but meh, maybe ill get it again someday


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 21:31    Post subject:
Yeah, I use MSE, too, because it's free, feels better integrated to the OS, and never bugs me with false positives.

When I say use it, I mean I install it on others' PCs, my PC is virus-free and antivirus-free. It is my belief that power users only need a firewall.

And by power users I mean being able to debug exes. Not the "I'm using computers all my life and I have my own blog" kind of power user Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 21:36    Post subject:
Another +1 for MSE here and pretty much for the exact reasons VGA gave; it's free, fully integrated, completely unobtrusive and it never bullshits about false positives. I used to be a NOD fanboy, then switched to Avast, now MSE and I plan to stick.
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 22:14    Post subject:
MSE here too... It's just simple and works Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 22:30    Post subject:
Reminds me of this: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59833


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2010 22:54    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 00:43    Post subject: Re: Anti-virus round up testing
SpykeZ wrote:
Im personally using microsoft security essentials, used to use kaspersky but got tired of paying for it



Same story here aswell.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 04:00    Post subject:
Virus scanners are mostly crap. If you are a competent PC user you wont get a virus(which I'm sure you are, at least most users on this site). I haven't used one in years and only occasionally install one to scan the entire drive, just in case.

The only thing they do for me, is slow your PC down while they scan anything you try to open. And the worst thing is, if the virus is good enough its gonna slip past their detection. While in college I wrote a rootkit keylogger and uploaded it to virustotal.com, and only like 3 softwares reported heuristic algorithm positives, which people usually assume they're false positive (as that sites uses like 20-30 antivirus programs). And i'm not gonna claim I'm an expert in the area. I am a competent programmer though and know plenty of those that you do the same thing. Only viruses that they find are popular ones, they wont protect you from real bastards that operate in the background and only time they communicate with outside world are well concealed messages.

And no antivirus can protect you from properly made virus, especially considering most of them are made to avoid detection by any popular AV software. Only real thing you can do, is be careful with what you install.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 04:56    Post subject:
if you run something like no script and arent an idiot then yea your pretty much safe
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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 05:40    Post subject:
BearishSun wrote:

And no antivirus can protect you from properly made virus, especially considering most of them are made to avoid detection by any popular AV software. Only real thing you can do, is be careful with what you install.


ya it's amazing how easy it is to get passed AV's actually. Back when I was helping this dude with rootkits we actually got it to silently shut down the av's while it was being injected and would re-activate the AV right after it was done. The only ones we had troubles getting around were kaspersky and nod32


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 06:18    Post subject:
Kaspersky latches onto your OS like a barnacle. The price is some weird compatibility problems.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 06:27    Post subject:
the price is some weird compat problem?


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 09:49    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
the price is some weird compat problem?

I mean some random weird problems, like incompatibility with Trackmania for me ! I had to disable Kaspersky's service and restart to make it work. Disabling wasn't enough.

Also, leaves stuff behind after uninstallation.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 14:45    Post subject:
ESET ranks tops on this list. Better than MSE. I dumped MSE because it missed some trojans. ESET is doing a better job!


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 15:01    Post subject:
for me it is opposite, eset missed some trojans where mse didn't
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 15:58    Post subject:
MSE for me. Those saying you don't need AV are crazy. I am always downloading stuff from usenet - often things which no one have commented on yet. I have no idea if they contain viruses / backdoors etc and always scan them. 50% of the time they do.

It's not worth risking it imo - specially with dodgy usenet releases, cracked exes, etc.

Suprised to see MSE didn't win top tier award, but meh, it works for me.

I can't see myself changing AV unless MS make it bloatware (could happen!)


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:22    Post subject:
You realise that this is more unfair MS marketing? MS basically dominates the OS market for computers unless you like Mac or know your way Linux. Bundling or offering free software like MSE, Windows Firewall, Internet Explorer or Windows Defender because they can afford to do that financially, is unfair competition with other software manufacturers. For me enough reason not to use MSE even if it was a lot better than most of the competition.


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:28    Post subject:
MSE doesn't rank very high in the list because it doesn't have the bullshit "advanced" heuristics of some of the other AV software.

They're so advanced they choke on some packers and throw an ominous "warning" just to be on the safe side.

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Which one are you using ? Are you paying for one ?
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:37    Post subject:
AVG free
http://www.spectacle.org/495/ms.html Old article from 1995 but what changed?


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:42    Post subject:
iconized wrote:
but what changed?

We got the best OS evah in the history of the PC !!!

Windows 7 bitches ! Microsoft for the MOTHERFUCKING win ! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

And I'm sorry you don't like their nicely working, free stuff. The pigs and parasites of the AV industry need you to help them against the big bad corporation.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:52    Post subject:
Laughing Well each to their own.

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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:12    Post subject:
iconized wrote:
Laughing Well each to their own.



MSE just plain works and doesn't hod resources, I don't need anything heavy for the shit I do. I do however like Kaspersky and Nod32, but what I can't justify doing anymore is paying 80 bucks for a fucking piece of software every year. I've slowly gotten out of the phase of pirating the fuck out of everything cause I could but more buying everything I actually use cause it's worth it, 50-60 for a game is one thing, but 80 for an anti-virus? come on.


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:30    Post subject:
Leave him alone, he's using AVG. He is "special"
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:39    Post subject:
@SpykeZ: But there are better free alternatives according to the article you linked: AVG, AVIRA and Avast all have free versions. I had my current Win 7 installation running for 6 months or so until a week ago when I noticed something suspicious. Then I installed AVG free and did a scan and tada my system was clean. When I activate a virus scan manually I want it to be done ASAP. I don't use scheduled scans since they tend to kick in when I am busy doing something else. I rather have a false alarm then viruses not being detected.

Anyway my whole hatred versus Microsoft dates back to the years when I was a system administrator dealing with NT 4.0 workstation and server. Nice stable OS if you knew what you were doing. But software like IIS 4.0, Exchange server, etc was the ultimate garbage back then. Btw MS hired programmers from Digital to do the important parts of NT. I try to buy games I like and sometimes very handy tools but I will never by a MS OS. Bought an OS 2 version once and even support for a Linux Distro. The only thing I ever bought from MS was an old version of MASM and I used to own a China replication of a MS mouse Very Happy


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SpykeZ




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:39    Post subject:
lol well if it works for him than it works I guess. Not gunna flame someone for the software they use, unless it's norton......then I'll load my canisters


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:52    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Leave him alone, he's using AVG. He is "special"

You are just one of those people who is highly intolerant towards opinions that differ from your own. While I am not going to criticise people for using MSE, I did criticise MS for their very aggressive and dishonest marketing strategies, the reason why I won't use their free software. And of course the conformist in you starts calling names and assuming that I think that I am special. Please read more carefully next time okay?
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:11    Post subject:
I've had bad dealing with AVG too many times with other computers, too many false positives and quite a few viruses got by and completely trashed their OS.

Could be better now days but meh, till MSE fails me, I'll keep with it.


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:17    Post subject:
Well If I have read your article earlier I would have installed another program I think but I made a fast decision based on old experience. I also found out what caused the suspicious behaviour and that wasn't a virus. Furthermore often enough I look through the processes in the task manager and if I encounter an unknown process I just google it. But AVG detects more then MSE Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 22:51    Post subject:


avg wins in false positive award of the year
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