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DOS doesn't run defrag for you. 
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 23:50 Post subject: |
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yep you grew up with DOS Leo, if I may ask?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:11 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | | yep you grew up with DOS Leo, if I may ask? |
I did, yes.  |
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:14 Post subject: |
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I must admit, it takes serious lack of skillz in computers to say that Windows 7 doesn't allow you to do things. 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:25 Post subject: |
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No, just stating facts. Unless you mean that anyone who knows what he's doing is a fanboy. In this case, I am.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:25 Post subject: |
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I ain't a fanboy, but I really like 7
Today I didn't even need to use my AK. I gotta say it was a good day. (c) - Ice Cube
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:35 Post subject: |
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Look this OS wants to control everything.
I had Win7 x64 running and installed FF and in FF I was not able to choose the directory in which downloads were placed.
All downloads go the dir in your profile.
This is just one example...
I guess with a lot of changing settings and digging one is capable to switch all of this control freak behaviour off but I fucking hate this.
I am well known to XP and in this OS I find that no problem.
And the 2nd part of my 1st post, there is not a good support base of x64 drivers and software yet.
It is like we are in between the 16 and 32 bits software transition again.
Win 3.11 had a 32 bits extension, it was better than the original Win 95 but leaked memory.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:44 Post subject: |
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You have to click on "Browse" and select a dir. 
Or have it ask you where to download each time by selecting "Always ask me".
But don't mind me, I must be a fanboy. 
Magically all the hardware I have across all my machines here at home have drives for 64-bit versions of Vista and 7. Must be some cruel joke on me, because it is clearly not ready.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:45 Post subject: |
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Does "FF" mean Firefox? Do you blame Windows for Firefox's default download folder (which you can change in to settings between a fixed folder or "ask me each time")?
EDIT: Nevermind, Leo was faster.
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Now now me7, don't be such a fanboy.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:49 Post subject: |
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mmm forgot about that one i guess...
okay but this one:
I install MSI afterburner in a normal install of Win7 x64.
After that i want to change a ?.cfg file in the installation directory of MSI AB somewhere in Program Files (x86).
And guess what I am not allowed to save the edited file in that folder.
I solved it nevertheless.
These kind of things go on and on and on.
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Disable UAC, and all the shit will go away. Otherwise you need to run the editor in admin mode because this is a system folder.
I agree with you on this one, UAC is very annoying, but once you remove it, that's it.
Edit: @ Eliz' post
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 00:55 Post subject: |
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so you have to agree the standard settings for Win7 are for dummies?
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Well it ain't much better than XP, which doesn't allow you to delete or edit any DLL file - it will just revert the old DLL without even warning. This was very annoying. At least this can easily be disabled.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 01:01 Post subject: |
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Hmm there was this release of "Win XP stripped down to the bone" would be nice to have a Win7 version of that...
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You can just go to options and remove everything you don't need. Also, just Google for a guide on which processes you can safely stop and disable.
The question is why. What specs do you have? On modernish (2GB+) PCs, it is already much faster than XP (because of Superfetch, much much much better utilization of multicore systems - even dual core, hardware accelerated rendering, etc).
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Pretty okay system I guess here: Phenom 9650, ATI 5770, 4 GB RAM
I don't know the word "superfetch" and will look it up but...
The next time I install Win7 it will be in a VM and I will do some reading 1st.
Win7 should be faster but to many applications are still 32b.
How is that with games these days?
I doubt that game developpers bring out 64b and 32b versions, so in what perspective runs a heavy game faster on Win x64 in comparison to Win x86?
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You should mess around with Win7 "godmode".
Some developers do release 32-bit AND 64-bit executables, but a CPU in 64-bit mode actually have wider buses (64-bit wide instead of 32-bit), extra registers (that are 64-bit as well instead of 32-bit) that in the end, through the use of Windows 32-64 bridge, can make 32-bit software run faster in some cases.
And as for "lack of support for 64-bit drivers etc." I can only say: huh? That was the case when Vista64 was first released but it's history. I haven't seen a single driver release for my hardware that came in only 32-bit.
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| iconized wrote: | How is that with games these days?
I doubt that game developpers bring out 64b and 32b versions, so in what perspective runs a heavy game faster on Win x64 in comparison to Win x86? |
Don't expect 64bit registers to improve gaming performance, only scientific calculations can really profit from them.
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In any case you look at it, there is no downside to using a 64-bit system, unless of course you have some archaic hardware, which I doubt. Virtually anything from the last few years has 64-bit drivers. You have 4GB or RAM; in order to use all of it, you need to use a 64-bit OS. You can read on google why your current 32-bit OS can only address only between 3.25 and 3.75 GB. 32-bit software runs natively on the CPU, there is no emulation, so it doesn't matter that your OS is 64-bit for these applications. On the other hand, native 64-bit applications can see considerable performance gains. WinRar, Photoshop, Paint.NET, MPCHC, etc. - all have 64-bit variants and run at variably increased performances. You can Google for benchmarks.
As for gaming,
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming/page5.asp
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming/page12.asp
Pretty much sums it up. Both Vista and 7 are better for gaming.
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| me7 wrote: | | iconized wrote: | How is that with games these days?
I doubt that game developpers bring out 64b and 32b versions, so in what perspective runs a heavy game faster on Win x64 in comparison to Win x86? |
Don't expect 64bit registers to improve gaming performance, only scientific calculations can really profit from them. |
The 32-on-64bit bridge in Windows may actually use the registers/width to it's advantage. But it's not something I can point to as a fact, just something I've read in numerous articles and reviews.
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