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skx7




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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Dec 2013 17:01    Post subject: GNU/Linux
how many nfohumpers joined the free software community in 2013?

i am a 100% Debian GNU/Linux user without dual booting windows and without running windows in a virtualbox. i am only forced to use win7 laptop for my work....
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Dec 2013 17:51    Post subject:
I moved more to BSD/Unix. Laughing
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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Dec 2013 18:22    Post subject:
I tried it multiple times in the past, but in the end always got back to windowz :\

Adobe isn't linux friendly :\


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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Dec 2013 18:34    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
Adobe isn't linux friendly :\

Nor is almost anything else.
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Dec 2013 19:01    Post subject:
Only times I used it was for work or servers for personal use. For the rest I couldn't give a rats ass, I'll take windows gladly on my pc (every two releases ) instead of trying to twist a triangle in a square hole to make everything work Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Dec 2013 19:15    Post subject:
if it wasnt for gaming i would have made the switch to 100% linux, but for whatever faults windows has i know it and can solve problems on it easely, not true for linux.
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skx7




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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 01:35    Post subject:
pussies, i am 100% GNU/Linux and I will never go back to windows! my gaming is currently done on consoles and in a near future, steam OS will serve me gaming experience on linux too Very Happy


windows/osx is like smoking and having a nicotine addiction... it needs a huge cold turkey to kick off but in the end it pays off Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 01:41    Post subject:
SteamOS should hopefully change the PC gaming world for the better and we can all finally make the move to *nix.

GABEN!
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 16:45    Post subject:
Linux has its purposes.
And perhaps in the future it may be useful in more professional environments.
But that day is not today.


Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 18:03    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Win7x64 works perfect for me. The only thing that annoys me are the several locations where apps store their shit.

Why the hell would I migrate ? I recently set up a CentOS so I could put in a little AMP stack, but working in cmdline is cumbersome so I used the package manager to install a GUI -> that shit don't work right nigga Laughing Laughing

But it's not free! Laughing

You know ... let's talk about freedom on a piracy board where everything here is pirated but let's try to make ourselves appear cool by throwing around bullshit like "100% free", instead of using everything else that was 100% free. lol wut
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 18:24    Post subject:
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Why the hell would I migrate ? I recently set up a CentOS so I could put in a little AMP stack, but working in cmdline is cumbersome so I used the package manager to install a GUI -> that shit don't work right nigga Laughing Laughing


So you want to administer a web/sql server but you are bothered with the command line? Good job.
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 22:45    Post subject:
Guy_Incognito wrote:
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Why the hell would I migrate ? I recently set up a CentOS so I could put in a little AMP stack, but working in cmdline is cumbersome so I used the package manager to install a GUI -> that shit don't work right nigga Laughing Laughing


So you want to administer a web/sql server but you are bothered with the command line? Good job.

Under perfect circumstances, nothing should require CLI crap.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 23:08    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
Under perfect circumstances, nothing should require CLI crap.

Jesus man, level of computer derpiness coming out of you has skyrocketed since you switched to Mac.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 23:14    Post subject:
Win7x64 works perfect for me. The only thing that annoys me are the several locations where apps store their shit.

Why the hell would I migrate ? I recently set up a CentOS so I could put in a little AMP stack, but working in cmdline is cumbersome so I used the package manager to install a GUI -> that shit don't work right nigga Laughing Laughing
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 23:38    Post subject:
Guy_Incognito wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
Under perfect circumstances, nothing should require CLI crap.

Jesus man, level of computer derpiness coming out of you has skyrocketed since you switched to Mac.

No, that has always been my view. CLI is to the possible minimum. In fact I have to go more in to the terminal in Mac than I have to in Windows, and I don't like that at all.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Jan 2014 23:51    Post subject:
CLI is THE most powerfull tool for administering a server. Why would Microsoft bother with enhancing PowerShell anyway?
Writing scripts is the fastest way to automatize stuff since it relies only on grepping and redirecting text, insanely simple and elegant if you can overcome basic POSIX shell constructs. I don't see a viable (and fast) alternative if your job goes beyond running one or two processes and simple logging.

The problem with AMP servers is not in the command line, it's in badly documented config files with their own made-up structure. It has nothing to do with CLI. CLI can be elegant.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2014 00:51    Post subject: I have left.
I have left.
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2014 01:01    Post subject:
Guy_Incognito wrote:
CLI is THE most powerfull tool for administering a server. Why would Microsoft bother with enhancing PowerShell anyway?
Writing scripts is the fastest way to automatize stuff since it relies only on grepping and redirecting text, insanely simple and elegant if you can overcome basic POSIX shell constructs. I don't see a viable (and fast) alternative if your job goes beyond running one or two processes and simple logging.

The problem with AMP servers is not in the command line, it's in badly documented config files with their own made-up structure. It has nothing to do with CLI. CLI can be elegant.

I said "under perfect circumstances". Also, in the examples above you mentioned a web and SQL server. Neither of these require CLI to configure (or again, under perfect circumstances).

Why does Microsoft enhance PowerShell? Because some of its tools are ridiculous in the UI department. Tried to configure an Exchange server? The Management Console is so bad, you might as well just do it from the commandline with PowerShell. How is this optimal? The lack of good UI does not make the CLI good, it makes it the least bad. That's not optimal.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2014 01:51    Post subject:
Guy_Incognito wrote:
The problem with AMP servers is not in the command line, it's in badly documented config files with their own made-up structure.

What? Laughing

When it comes to AMP there's nothing custom or undocumented. Apache + MySQL use conf, PHP uses INI.

Now had you said Nginx with its pseudo scripting (or Varnish), or Postcrapsql which has shit docs next to its (up to recently in 9.3) utterly retarded reliance on fucking kernel parameters, then yes. But AMP? No, it doesn't get much easier than that.

Nor does it require the CLI on Linux or Windows; only does on OS X if you want some control over the version and thus need to replace Apple's crap.
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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2014 02:04    Post subject:
If it's regular "name value" pairs with Apache confs, I wouldn't complain. But when I see that horrendous mixture of conventional conf and XML-like shit, my stomach starts to turn. But I'm not sysadmin, I use AMP only seldomly for basic testing, so luckily I don't have to see those files often...
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2014 02:08    Post subject:
Well they need some block structure, which conf doesn't have. And INI sections wouldn't suffice, as there's no nesting. Nginx's looks cleaner perhaps, but poorly documented? Fuck no.

The actual config in Apache is just name/value pairs. The XML like bits are just for block control.
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PostPosted: Sat, 18th Jun 2016 16:49    Post subject:
Bit of an old thread but the title fits, there has been solid progress towards gaming capability on linux distro's the past couple of years. For anyone interested the guy at phoronix started doing windows vs. linux benchmarks on the latest generation cards with proprietary drivers. Not quite there yet in performance but slowly closing the gap, at least a quarter of the steam catalog is now linux friendly.

Nvidia 1070 & 1080, Win10 vs Ubuntu16
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=windows-linux-pascal&num=1

AMD R9 Fury, Win10 vs Ubuntu16
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-win10-fury&num=1
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PostPosted: Sat, 18th Jun 2016 17:18    Post subject:
I've been playing a few games on linux for quite a while now (like Civ V, dota 2, etc)... never noticed any performance issues, but I guess these are not very demanding anyway.

Just realised I've been using linux for 18 years, damn that's a long time Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 18th Jun 2016 18:15    Post subject:
Nvidia still remains the only reasonable GPU option under Linux it seems :l
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PostPosted: Sat, 18th Jun 2016 18:39    Post subject:
Anyone know anything about mod_mono xsp and what not.

I'm really fucking baffled


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PostPosted: Sat, 18th Jun 2016 19:04    Post subject:
Saner wrote:
Anyone know anything about mod_mono xsp and what not.

I'm really fucking baffled

No idea, but make a topic, maybe someone can help and it's not very visible here...
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2019 10:27    Post subject:
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skx7 wrote:
pussies, i am 100% GNU/Linux and I will never go back to windows! my gaming is currently done on [ No! ] and in a near future, steam OS will serve me gaming experience on linux too Very Happy


windows/osx is like smoking and having a nicotine addiction... it needs a huge cold turkey to kick off but in the end it pays off Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2019 11:07    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
SteamOS should hopefully change the PC gaming world for the better and we can all finally make the move to *nix.

GABEN!

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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Jul 2019 15:23    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
AmpegV4 wrote:
lol, yup linux gaming hasnt changed at all, 8000+ native titles just like the 90's


If only that was the case mate. Believe me I would be the very first one to jump away from Windows and it's bullshit.

I'm not a fan of any exact OS in general. My router is based on FreeBSD, Apple TV on tvOS, iPhone on iOS, my PC runs Windows 10 at parents' I've replaced their Windows 10 to Linux Mint etc..

It's not that I dont like Linux, but for now Linux Desktop sucks in terms of gaming and productivity. Like I said before it's not that you cannot do anything with it but it will definitely make your day much harder if you don't like reading forums and blogs to fix certain things.

One thing I found very strange in Linux is that there is still no native setting for mouse scrolling lines:




Few months ago I wanted to replace my workstation Windows 10 with Linux Desktop and man it was painful experience. I've tried Mint, Deepin, Pop!_OS, Manjaro, Fedora and a couple of others. My goal was to use MS Office 365 Online apps but I gave up because after each installation I had to Google tons of things including 3 monitor support, Dell XPS dock station support etc... I really wanted it to work but I'm just not ready for constant tweaking and googling how to fix this and that.

I even follow Wendel's YouTube channel in case something big happens but currently this sums the situation...



Hi @escalibur because your interested.

Moving your post to the right thread so re-quoting, feel free to try fix if necessary @Frant.


Quote:

It's not that I dont like Linux, but for now Linux Desktop sucks in terms of gaming and productivity. Like I said before it's not that you cannot do anything with it but it will definitely make your day much harder if you don't like reading forums and blogs to fix certain things.

One thing I found very strange in Linux is that there is still no native setting for mouse scrolling lines:


I fully agree with you there but it's more complicated a topic. You're referring to the popular desktop environments that come standard with the popular desktop orientated distro's (KDE & GNOME + variants). They don't compare and it's because they are built to run on the ancient X Window System > these DE's are built on top of code that's been dragged around since the 80's hacking in all sorts of crazy shit in to make it appear "modern", i.e it will always be shit.

A replacement has been in development for around a decade now that should start to allow for better desktop experience moving forward, this will take a long time to see the fruits of success and at this stage i think most DE's using wayland are reliant on a x.window emulation layer or something. https://wayland.freedesktop.org/

So i quickly figured out the KDE & GNOME are shit > they also obfuscate (like windows) every application and critical subsystem that you really need to understand to run a Linux distro like a boss, I never recommend a new user stick to Ubuntu etc. for too long because when stuff breaks they have no idea what is going on.

I use Archlinux (because the wiki, technical documentation is some of the best I've ever read, i'll refer to it for any Linux distro to really understand wtf is going on), that gives you a bare bones OS, then you can install 1 of many DE's KDE, GNOME or something really lightweight, there are hundreds of file-managers, hundreds of terminal emulators, there are 10 or so utilities purely for auto-mounting a disk when you plug it in (this OS luxury requires code or an application to work). In summary, there is a high technical barrier of entry and perseverance to get a truly slick experience out of a Linux distro. You can have a lot of success with Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora just out of the box, that said though the popular DE's don't come as close to as slick as Windows and no where near as good as OSX.

Edit: I got handed a fedora desktop recently for work, surprisingly all those thing you mentioned + using O365 and 3x monitors all worked straight off default installation ?
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