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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 20:28    Post subject: How to make fur
CAUTION! EXTREME GORE! You have been warned!
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http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/
This is a 16min video the more disgusting I saw yet! Just wait till the video in the center is loaded. The part where the racoon is in the truck with no more fur/skin and you see the "head" still trying to get up,... that's crazy!
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 20:34    Post subject:
Poor little bastards. People who wear fur are cunts. And WTF ... a beaver coat?


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 20:40    Post subject:
This is normal, where I live, our currency consists out of : Ferocious beast head, Furr, and ofcourse claw-paws. Yes, It's hard to get my shit together. Especially now that BIA is coming out soon.... damn... I must hunt.




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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 20:45    Post subject:
People moralize over how fur is made? Ha hahahahaha... for fucks sake, stop living in your little huts of ignorance.

All products that we access that come out of animals cause animal suffering in lower or higher degrees.

I swear, sometimes people can be so bloody stupid. Wear your furs, eat your shish-kebab, steak, and whatever - just don't moralize over it, admit that you're eating something that is good, and that whatever suffering it caused whatever animal isn't something that you care about. At least you're being honest. (But I know, the biggest vice of the western civilization is it's own ability to self-deceit).

Oh, for the record... people who eat cow who moralize over people who eat cats, dogs, or whatever other animal, should get shot.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:04    Post subject:
fur is nasty. especially when people wear it for fashion purposes, or to look wealthy.

i try to avoid animal products all together. i dont wear them, nor do i eat them.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:11    Post subject:
Don't mess with my hut of ignorance. Cutting up animals for fashion is much different then killing them for food.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:13    Post subject:
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fur is nasty. especially when people wear it for fashion purposes, or to look wealthy.

i try to avoid animal products all together. i dont wear them, nor do i eat them.


People are shallow, if there was a law against that, you'd see 95% of the world population guilty as charged.

Nice of you to try to minimize suffering, I hope you don't do it for anyone else but yourself (and possibly the animals though) - I know so damn many ingrates that to it as a political "statement", or to have people say: "Oh! j00 soo GooDi!".

I don't deny the fact that I take pleasure out of devouring burnt flesh - nor do I condemn anyone else who does the same.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:30    Post subject:
That video is a world away from what we have in the west. When an animal is slaughtered for food in the UK then the animal's suffering must be lessened to as much a degree as possible. That video was a disgrace. How anyone can watch whilst a helpless animal suffers like that is beyond me. Worse still some people laughed. Those trappers need their skin cut off and dumped into a bag of salt.

Bastards.

Yes I eat meat. Although if I knew animals were made to suffer like that I would consider giving it up.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:37    Post subject:
i dont like slaughter houses or other companies that profits on grief. and thats the basis of fur production.

testing on animals, making food out of them, or even clothes from them seems to me to be pretty unecessary today. there is substitutes for all this, we are not living in the stone age anymore. also food would last longer if we started to use food further down the chain. too much energy lost. and bla bla bla. im sure you all heard of this, and im frankly tired of talking about it as well.

believe me, ive given this a lot of thought and after consideration i realized that the benefits totally outwieghted the sacrifices. that was more than 10 years ago.

so in a sence im doing it for myself (health), for animals (ethics), for fellow humans (recourses). but its not like only one person makes a difference. and im in a nihalistic mood today, so i doubt well see a big change soon. of course people will follow only what benefits themselves. but at least i dont participate. that doesnt make me feel better than anyone else, more proving my point about humans as a whole. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:45    Post subject:
I haven´t watched, and I wont. I can´t even stand the thought of it.
Fisk, this is a question, cause maybe i got something wrong; Are cows, who are properly handled, then put down to become food for us, as badly treatened as i think the animals in those vids are?

And I agree with Jenni, people who treat animals so cruely, should be punished with maybe the same thing...

And i can´t even find words for people who could laugh at that..


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 21:55    Post subject:
i didn't get 2 mins in the vid b4 i started 2 cry a bit that is just sad especially when the racoon with no legs tried 2 get up i hated fur b4 but... this just suks the people who do this deserve to go to jail or somethin


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 22:09    Post subject:
I wouldn't eat a cow if they chopped off it's legs with an axe first and let it writhe around in pain.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 22:17    Post subject:
there's another fur video at http://www.peta.org ... right at the top of the page

and more @ www.furisdead.com


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 22:21    Post subject:


1.) If you dont want us to wear animals, then you obviously expect us to wear synthetic materials. Did it ever enter your little minds that producing most synthetic materials does more harm to the enviroment then actually killing animals does?

2.) If you dont want to eat meat, and be completely un-natural. Fine, go ahead. But dont shove your vegetarian non-sense down my throat whenever I go to eat chicken at KFC.

3.) If you were a real vegetarian you would be growing all your own food.

4.) You want to stop the suffering of all animals, yet I dont see you thinking about the fact that thousands upon thousands of animals are being killed when your corn, or other plants are being harvested. Why dont you do something about that? Oh, wait, I know why, your to god damn lazy. Then why are you even a vegetarian in the first place?

5.) Because of actions from vegetarians and other groups including PETA and greenpeace, hundreds of thousands of living, breathing, thinking, human beings have been put out of jobs. Because of the actions of greenpeace when they made whaling illegal in countries like iceland and greenland ENTIRE communities of people lost their jobs, their way of life, their culture, and everything. The suicide rates in these countries shot up 30% the minute these laws took effect.

I researched and wrote on the topic of whaling a few years ago, and it really is amazing how much bullshit GreenPeace actually is.

http://luna.pos.to/whale/

Goto that site and look at the MOUNTAINS of data which support whaling. Unlike groups like greenpeace which have articles which show almost no data, and if they do show data, that data is selective.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:06    Post subject:
I don´t have any problems with eating meat,as long as the animal was treatend correclty, wich works PERFECTLY without hrash cruel treatment. Mchart, you´ve made your point on vegetarians, what´s your take on the vids? Do you condone such treatment to animals?


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:17    Post subject:
@mchart

1.) there is a difference of rest products (leather) and animals only made for clothes (fur). there is a difference between cotton and polyester. ffs buy hemp! Razz

2.) yes going to kfc and eating a heavily genmanipulated bone cross stew mix of chicken is very natural.

3.) if you were a real meat eater you would kill your own food.

4.) ive had this discussion before. and there was a huge mathematical error in counting like this. some hunting organisation try to proove some point with this, but its not comparable to compare animals dying on fields to those billions of animals dying in slaughterhouses. the difference is just too big. the phrase "less grief possible" would fit here.

5.) find new jobs. i hope we are not talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs beeing lost only because whailing was banned. with that many hunters i doubt the whales would have lasted for long anyways...

ok done here. theese discussions bore me + they never really lead anywhere.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:21    Post subject:
Same thing for me... I didn't post that video because I care about animal who die to make fur and food,.. in fact I agree we should keep them coming. The thing is how these guy make it,.. when it's done nicely with precaution and rules it's ok but not when they try to keep them alive as long as they want and have fun doing it in a dust backyard or something...
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:23    Post subject:
May the pain of a 1000 deaths reign onto those guys.

Maddox is gay he's a whiny shit that was funny maybe.....5 years ago but he seriously needs to die now.

1.But does wearing synthetic materials cause pain/suffering/torture? does it wipe out endangered species?

2.How often does a vegan actually shove their ideals in your face when your out? me? NEVER

3.What is a REAL vegetarian? everyone has definitions

4.Real exaggeration maybe insects get hurt and some birds/moles would have to hunt further for their food

5.Oh boo hoo, plenty of jobs out there if you look, cant get on with life? yea you go kil yourself that'll solve everything.......blame the goverment for the downpour


I love my meat but one thing i just cannot stand is to see a defenceless creature tortured theres a reason why we are top of the food chain and the dominant species of this world.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:37    Post subject:
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May the pain of a 1000 deaths reign onto those guys.

Maddox is gay he's a whiny shit that was funny maybe.....5 years ago but he seriously needs to die now.

1.But does wearing synthetic materials cause pain/suffering/torture? does it wipe out endangered species?

2.How often does a vegan actually shove their ideals in your face when your out? me? NEVER

3.What is a REAL vegetarian? everyone has definitions

4.Real exaggeration maybe insects get hurt and some birds/moles would have to hunt further for their food

5.Oh boo hoo, plenty of jobs out there if you look, cant get on with life? yea you go kil yourself that'll solve everything.......blame the goverment for the downpour


I love my meat but one thing i just cannot stand is to see a defenceless creature tortured theres a reason why we are top of the food chain and the dominant species of this world.


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5.Oh boo hoo, plenty of jobs out there if you look, cant get on with life? yea you go kil yourself that'll solve everything.......blame the goverment for the downpour


Its so nice of you to think about the animals. Are you able to comprehend the word "Culture"? I guess not.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:39    Post subject:
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@mchart

1.) there is a difference of rest products (leather) and animals only made for clothes (fur). there is a difference between cotton and polyester. ffs buy hemp! Razz

2.) yes going to kfc and eating a heavily genmanipulated bone cross stew mix of chicken is very natural.

3.) if you were a real meat eater you would kill your own food.

4.) ive had this discussion before. and there was a huge mathematical error in counting like this. some hunting organisation try to proove some point with this, but its not comparable to compare animals dying on fields to those billions of animals dying in slaughterhouses. the difference is just too big. the phrase "less grief possible" would fit here.

5.) find new jobs. i hope we are not talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs beeing lost only because whailing was banned. with that many hunters i doubt the whales would have lasted for long anyways...

ok done here. theese discussions bore me + they never really lead anywhere.


First off, I DONT CARE. So it doesnt matter what I eat, I eat everything, and why should you care, or why should anyone else care, its my fucking business, not yours. And yes, I do in fact kill animals for my own meat thank you very fucking much.

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5.) find new jobs. i hope we are not talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs beeing lost only because whailing was banned. with that many hunters i doubt the whales would have lasted for long anyways...


Oh thank you for thinking about the animals.
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:41    Post subject:
Anyone notice a pattern here in response to #5? Who cares about entire cultures and the lives of other people! If I dont want you to eat meat or kill animals i'll ruin entire cultures for MY point of view!
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:41    Post subject:
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Oh thank you for thinking about the animals.


your welcome. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:43    Post subject:
Your ignorance is showing. You might want to cover it up with all that money you have. Forget the lives of people, you'll be damned if you let Joe Blow eat his hamburger down at the corner bar.


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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:44    Post subject:
fur depends on the animal.. if its a rare endagered animal.. then dont kill it for its fur

Look here in new zealand.. the number 1 pest for the native animals/plants is the possum

I go possum hunting... i kill as many of them as i can.. they are a PEST...

And if at the end of it u can turn it into this



So.. if anyone thinks that is wrong.. then u are just weird. Razz

Like i said.. fur depends on the animal.....
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lol the possums transform to a cute female? not bad. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:54    Post subject:
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Your ignorance is showing. You might want to cover it up with all that money you have. Forget the lives of people, you'll be damned if you let Joe Blow eat his hamburger down at the corner bar.


what the hell are you on about? Embarassed Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon, 14th Mar 2005 23:58    Post subject:
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Anyone who think the meat industries DOES NOT treat their livestock poorly are more gullible than Mchart and his damned conspiracy theories.

My cousins work in one of Sweden's largest meat producing companies, and the stories they've told me could turn almost anyone into a vegetarian (in fact, I was so gullible back then, I turned! I was one for over a year).

It's an industry that has to supply millions and millions of people with the flesh of dead animals, AND it's an industry that earns A LOT OF MONEY on it. With what you know about how other businesses work, is it that hard to believe that "humane treatment of animals they will kill" (lol, what a bunch of crap) goes out the door, and receives little to no resources? No - and you know what You don't care, you can sit here and play 'pretentious animal rights'-Billy all you like, in the end you just don't care. Give me a Big Mac, give me a T-bone steak with extra everything, give me a kebab, etc. etc.

"Hey! Meat comes packaged in plastic, that must mean it's not coming from an animal that suffered"

If you're too much of a pussy to admit to yourself that you're taking pleasure from animal's suffering, then fine - live in lala-land, ignorance is bliss. You don't fool me though.

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lol the possums transform to a cute female? not bad. Smile


lol Razz
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fisk wrote:
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Anyone who think the meat industries DOES NOT treat their livestock poorly are more gullible than Mchart and his damned conspiracy theories.

My cousins work in one of Sweden's largest meat producing companies, and the stories they've told me could turn almost anyone into a vegetarian (in fact, I was so gullible back then, I turned! I was one for over a year).

It's an industry that has to supply millions and millions of people with the flesh of dead animals, AND it's an industry that earns A LOT OF MONEY on it. With what you know about how other businesses work, is it that hard to believe that "humane treatment of animals they will kill" (lol, what a bunch of crap) goes out the door, and receives little to no resources? No - and you know what You don't care, you can sit here and play 'pretentious animal rights'-Billy all you like, in the end you just don't care. Give me a Big Mac, give me a T-bone steak with extra everything, give me a kebab, etc. etc.

"Hey! Meat comes packaged in plastic, that must mean it's not coming from an animal that suffered"

If you're too much of a pussy to admit to yourself that you're taking pleasure from animal's suffering, then fine - live in lala-land, ignorance is bliss. You don't fool me though.

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U saying that people who eat meat enjoy animals suffering ?? i dont think thats true at all..

Ive cut off a sheep's head before.. let me tell u.. its not a pretty thing.. they kick and go mental even when they have no head.. and blood is POURING out .. like a fucking hose... and no i didnt want to do it.. but it was the most humane way for the sheep to die at the time....

and your right.. ive been to a meat processing plants.. they are not the nicest

are they the same all around the world ???

at the one i went to.. basically the animals were hearded in.. then got stunned unconscious.... u could see they were out cold.. they were fucked up.. then killed....

its a horrible thing to see no doubt.. but for the job that the plant does (Killing animals) .. it did SEEM the most humane it could be ...
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PostPosted: Tue, 15th Mar 2005 00:20    Post subject:
The reality is most do not want to be exposed to what happens and think of the processes when it comes to meat that is being eaten. However why would you take pleasure in killing/torturing an animal not destined for the plate but for clothes/entertainment.

Classic case of......because we can


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