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nouseforaname
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 22:31    Post subject: couple questions about new HTPC
So I'm working on putting together a new dedicated HTPC... Bought most of the components in the form of a used computer from an auction for $100 ...

- Foxconn 45CM-S Motherboard ( http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/detail_spec.aspx?ID=en-us0000328 )
- Intel E2160 Allendale 1.8GHz Dual-Core Processor
- IN-WIN BL631 (Black) mATX Slim Desktop w/300W PSU ( http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016438&cid=CS.897 )
- 1GB DDR2 SDRAM
- WD 250 gb SATA HD

just went and picked this up today (video acceleration and 5.1 audio output over HDMI for $35!)...
- Asus EAH3450/DI/256M ATI Radeon HD 3450 Chipset 256MB DDR2 ( http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=019188&cid=999.243.272 )

Now, there are only 2 slots for memory, so my question is should I just add another 1gb stick or get a 2gb (2x1gb) or 4gb (2x2gb) kit to replace it all together? I can't use the DDR2 in my "main" computer as it takes DDR so I would just be throwing it away.

Also, any suggestions for a good internal BluRay drive? Any problems just finding the cheapest one? For instance, http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106225

Anyone see any issues with the 300W power supply? I'm not planning on adding any more components to the system.

Also, what OS should I install, XP or Vista 32bit? Considering that I will probably leave it off most of the time unless I'm using it, start-up time is a factor.

Thanks Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 22:35    Post subject:
About the memory, I think you should go with 4GB, just because it is so cheap these days (you don't need ultra fast DDR2 for an HTPC). With 4GB of memory, Vista 32bit or 64bit will boot instantly, with the 64bit being a bit faster (at least it was for me with 6GB). The system will also feel much more responsive.

If you go with 4GB, and don't want a lot of it to go to waste, 64bit is the way to go. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 22:43    Post subject:
yeah, 4gb kit can be had for $35-40 and they have a physical store not to far from me so I can actually pick it up ...

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3618426&CatId=2261
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3228139&Sku=C13-6082

Am I correct in assuming that I can get any speed of RAM and the MB will run it at whatever speed is its max? (that RAM is 800mhz, max supported speed by MB is 667).

I think I might go with Vista 32bit, if only for better driver and media related app support. Not really concerned about the .5 gb of RAM I'll lose...


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008 23:30    Post subject:
The lack of support is a bit of a myth these days, almost everything runs fine on 64bit now.
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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 04:16    Post subject:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=LG+blu+ray&x=0&y=0

i have the non bluray burner of that <3 One of the first and still the best. Plays HD-DVD's and bluray

also for cases...
http://www.xoxide.com/hometheater.html

some nifty designs

PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703018


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 05:11    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=LG+blu+ray&x=0&y=0

i have the non bluray burner of that <3 One of the first and still the best. Plays HD-DVD's and bluray

also for cases...
http://www.xoxide.com/hometheater.html

some nifty designs

PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703018


lol, I already have the case, and psu... it was a package deal from some out of business place, at least they had the decency to get a pretty decent looking case Razz I know there is lot's fancier, but the idea is that this won't cost that much more than a stand-alone BluRay player. Don't need to drop a couple hundred dollars on a case.

And I don't own, and won't ever even have the opportunity to own a HDDVD ... won't ever burn a DVD with this computer either. Really just looking for a dependable player ... I only but collectible type DVDs/BluRays, so that's why I want a real BluRay player instead of relying on just rips all the time.

also, about the 64 vs. 32, given possible future driver issues, is there really a reason for 64 bit given this computer will run nothing but MPC and firefox. I mean it, nothing else.


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 08:17    Post subject:
The main reason for your PC now to put 64bit is to use the entire 4GB and not 3.25GB. I think it's worth it.

There is also that hope that eventually developers will make codecs that make use of the 64bit platform to have better performance.
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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 12:00    Post subject:
Before you buy 800Mhz mem, you should check the module that is currently installed. There's been too many threads about boards not supporting faster/slower/more memory. You might want to try out some 800Mhz modules in the computer if you have some lying around. If it supports it then it will probably run it at 667Mhz or if it has an fsb:ram multiplier option (auto or manual) it might even run it at 800Mhz.

Don't want to get into an XP vs Vista argument here but you answered your own question when you said that boot-up time is a consideration for you. Wink Plus, as per your own admission, this computer is going to have a very specific role so it probably doesn't need any bells and whistles.
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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 15:46    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
SpykeZ wrote:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=LG+blu+ray&x=0&y=0

i have the non bluray burner of that <3 One of the first and still the best. Plays HD-DVD's and bluray

also for cases...
http://www.xoxide.com/hometheater.html

some nifty designs

PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703018


lol, I already have the case, and psu... it was a package deal from some out of business place, at least they had the decency to get a pretty decent looking case Razz I know there is lot's fancier, but the idea is that this won't cost that much more than a stand-alone BluRay player. Don't need to drop a couple hundred dollars on a case.

And I don't own, and won't ever even have the opportunity to own a HDDVD ... won't ever burn a DVD with this computer either. Really just looking for a dependable player ... I only but collectible type DVDs/BluRays, so that's why I want a real BluRay player instead of relying on just rips all the time.

also, about the 64 vs. 32, given possible future driver issues, is there really a reason for 64 bit given this computer will run nothing but MPC and firefox. I mean it, nothing else.


well for the price it's really not bad to have it support HD-DVD is all I meant.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136133&Tpk=ggc-h20l

HEar me out, it's only 10 dollars more, it's trivial but it's also won 2 awards for the top seller on newegg which says a lot since almost everyone in the states who's into PC's uses newegg/tigerdirect. But with it supporting HD-DVD, you'll have even more of a selection, there really isn't a whole lot of difference in quality at least from what I can see, so if you can find a HD-DVD of something cheaper than Blu-Ray by a good margin...why not?


Oh and also it's faster. 6x instead of 4x


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 18:33    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
well for the price it's really not bad to have it support HD-DVD is all I meant.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136133&Tpk=ggc-h20l

HEar me out, it's only 10 dollars more,


for whatever reason, on the canadian version of newegg the drive is like $250 Surprised
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136155

and here it is for $150
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12600MN1371&vpn=GGC-H20L&manufacture=LG


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 19:13    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
SpykeZ wrote:
well for the price it's really not bad to have it support HD-DVD is all I meant.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136133&Tpk=ggc-h20l

HEar me out, it's only 10 dollars more,


for whatever reason, on the canadian version of newegg the drive is like $250 Surprised
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136155

and here it is for $150
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12600MN1371&vpn=GGC-H20L&manufacture=LG


The newegg one is the GGW-H20LK, which has the blu-ray burner in it too. The DC one is the GGC-H20L which is what I have, same thing as the newegg one but without the BD Burner.

Kinda lame, newegg doesn't have the H20L :\

If directcanada is a good source then by all means, jump on it Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 21:45    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
If directcanada is a good source then by all means, jump on it Smile


I've never ordered from them.

tbh, I think I'd rather just go to the tigerdirect store that's 20 minutes away from me and just buy the Liteon one, seems to get decent enough reviews... I don't need to to burn nor do I plan on ripping BluRays, so it should be OK...
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4102818&CatId=3634


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 01:32    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
Before you buy 800Mhz mem, you should check the module that is currently installed. There's been too many threads about boards not supporting faster/slower/more memory. You might want to try out some 800Mhz modules in the computer if you have some lying around. If it supports it then it will probably run it at 667Mhz or if it has an fsb:ram multiplier option (auto or manual) it might even run it at 800Mhz.


unfortunately I don't :/

strange though, everest says mobo only supports 400 and 533 mhz, but the ram is obviously 667 and it says it is running at 667...




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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 14:24    Post subject:
Your link to the manufacturer's specs does mention 667 and seeing that it's already running in the computer it is a given. Not so sure about whether it will run 800 because when it comes to hardware, sometimes things that are supposed to work with each other, don't. Not the other way round. So even though 800 mem might be cheaper you should go with what is already proven.
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 17:23    Post subject:
Obviously you can tell I went ahead and installed vista 32 ... but even with the 1gb stick everything is running smoothly (using coreavc for x264), boot up time is ~30 seconds as well.

I think I'm going to cheap out a little and just buy another 1 GB stick of 667 memory, this one is only $12 Razz

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2175880&Sku=K24-5844

or maybe I should get a 2gb stick for $26?
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2563133&CatId=1651


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 18:33    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
Obviously you can tell I went ahead and installed vista 32 ...


I can't! There's a lot of very nice vista skins with widgets and all for XP but we are beyond that now. As for whether you should buy 1 or 2 gigs you already answered your own question again. If everything is running smoothly then why bother with any gigs at all although that would be taking the 'less is moar' principle a bit too far.

I would run the sucker as is and I would only give it only one more gigabyte when it absolutely stutters and goes down its knees and begs for it. Why not 2 you ask? Well this is not a multi-task computer so if any single non-game application is stuttering with 2 gigs, a) it is a pos app and b) 3 gigs probably won't help it run any smoother either.
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 18:46    Post subject:
OK lol, I'm probably gunna get the 1 gb stick ... $12 is worth my piece of mind in case I need it down the road Razz

The Vista32 decision over XP32 came down to the fact I had already downloaded it a week ago, so I guess it was in the interest of laziness Razz No need to really tweak the appearance or add widgets either, not like I'll really be looking at anything except full-screen video anyways Smile

not a bad little machine for the price anyways, ~$150 so far + another $125 for a BD-ROM in January ... Still have to buy a new A/V receiver though with HDMI inputs since my current one just has optical .. in the meantime I'm just running the HDMI to my TV and then TV to receiver with stereo RCA cables.


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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Dec 2008 00:40    Post subject:
Make sure the receiver and your media player (the software) support Dolby Digital decoding and encoding (respectively), as that "5.1 over HDMI" is only for that, or else you'll have stereo only.
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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Dec 2008 01:02    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Make sure the receiver and your media player (the software) support Dolby Digital decoding and encoding (respectively), as that "5.1 over HDMI" is only for that, or else you'll have stereo only.


the card outputs 5.1 audio as LPCM, which doesn't leave very many choices for (cheap) receivers .. it either has to be compatible with new HD audio formats (=expensive), or Sony makes a budget line of AV receivers designed to be compatible with the LPCM BluRay output of the PS3 ...

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10105717&catid=

that one was $75 cheaper a couple of weeks ago ... hopefully marked down again on boxing day.


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