Interesting Figures - US losses
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 18:10    Post subject: Interesting Figures - US losses
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

There was actually MORE military personnel losses in the Clinton years than the Bush years Confused

Annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 ......... 2,392
1981 ......... 2,380
1984 ......... 1,999
1988 .......... 1 ,819
1989 .......... 1,636
1990 ......... 1,508
1991 ......... 1,787
1992 .........1,293
1993 ......... 1,213
1994 ......... 1,075
1995 ..........2,465
1996 ......... 2,318 Clinton years @13,417 deaths
1997 ......... 817
1998 ........ 2,252
1999 ......... 1,984
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2000 ......... 1,983
2001 ......... 890
2002 ......... 1,007 7 BUSH years @ 9,016 deaths
2003 ......... 1,410
2004 .......... 1,887
2005 ......... 919
2006.......... 920
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And when the media claims that poor minorities are forced to join the military and fight the war? It's proven to be false by the statistics.

The latest census of Americans, shows the following distribution of American citizens, by Race:

European descent (White) ....... 69.12%
Hispanic .... ........................... 12.5%
Black.................... ..... ........... 12.3%
Asian ..................................... 3.7%
Native American .................... . 1.0%
Other ..................................... 2.6%

Fatalities by Race; over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom:

European descent (white) ..... 74.31%
Hispanic ............................ 10.74%
Black ............................ ...... 9.67%
Asian ................................ . 1.81%
Native American ................... 1.09%
Other ................................... 3 3%
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 18:23    Post subject: Re: Interesting Figures - US losses
repo1 wrote:
And when the media claims that poor minorities are forced to join the military and fight the war? It's proven to be false by the statistics.


ummm when they're minorities doesn't it mean there's few of them? so of course there would be a lot of whites in the war as they're the majorities still those minorities numbers are HUGE. way more than i expected Laughing shocking Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 18:47    Post subject:
Whites are actually the minority in the world. Anyway, on TV they always show the recruiters "preying" on the inner city kids, and parents in the ghetto weeping about their dead kid who was "forced" into the army because they are poor. It's bullshit.
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 18:57    Post subject:
When you're looking at ratios of minorities in a population you have to take into account the countries overall population ratios. Otherwise the figures are meaningless.
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 19:04    Post subject:
Ethic groups in the US - white 81.7%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.2% (2003 est.)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent (including persons of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin) living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.)

source - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

Doesn't seem to be any significant over-representation there. Except for slightly lower casualty rates for Blacks and Asians. Contrary to what happens in horror movies.
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 19:13    Post subject:
Yup, not much difference there then. A more interesting comparison than race would be class or income group.
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 19:32    Post subject:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/those_military_death_statistics.php
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/ericfolkerth/2008/jan/20/military_losses_for_20_years_i_play_at_being_snopes_com_0


Quote:

First, I am a TOTAL supporter of President Bush, and I am an Army veteran and Army Ranger.

But, read the Military Losses for 20 Years report again - five years are entirely missing, and the counts for five other years are WRONG. Go check out the original data.

Every single death is tragic. But, whoever the numnut was who put this together is either really sloppy, and is an outright manipulator. Go check the data.

http://america-whereareyou.com/?p=17


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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 20:38    Post subject:
I dont know how you guys look at things, but I like to consider everyone equal in terms of human rights. Doesnt matter whether your black, white, hispanic, indian, arabic etc etc Everyone should have the same freedom

Its sad thats not the way it is tho Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008 22:24    Post subject:
Guarantee you all those figures are fabricated out their ass. They wouldn't disclose the real numbers.
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PostPosted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008 12:54    Post subject:
From teh blogpost above:

For the years 1993-2000 (the eight full years of Bill Clinton's presidency)
There were a total of: 7,500 military deaths for those in active duty
(remember: the email claims: 13, 417)

Yes, it's a strangely round number. But it appears to be correct. As
Casey Stengel once said, "You could look it up..."

For the years of George W. Bush's presidency 2001-2006
There were a total of: 8,792 military deaths for those in active duty.
(the email claims: 9,016)

Note! The Bush statistic only includes data through 2006, and a footnote admits that the 2006 data is "preliminary." This number does
not include any combat deaths for 2007.
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