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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 17:41    Post subject: Kicks PC across room.
Getting a daily BSOD, sometimes even two times a day, lately and it's bugging the piss out of me. Almost always happens when I open a new tab in Chrome and always with one of the same few errors -- and more often than not the faulting module is TCPIP.SYS.

Reference_by_pointer
IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
BAD_POOL_HEADER

Completely at random which one of the three it will be, completely random as to whether my machine will freeze or BSOD, but it's pretty much only during new tab opening. I'm about to run MemTestx86 but does anyone else have any rough ideas as to what might be causing it? So many online say "drivers" but egh... that's helpful(!) I've not installed anything new lately, not removed anything either, that I can remember at least.

Thanks guys Sad
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 17:47    Post subject:
BSOD usually means hardware error, I think you're on the right track as RAM seems like it could be the most likely with those error messages you posted but I guess you'll know for sure when you've run that memory test program. Smile
(Could try underclocking it I suppose but if it's faulty it's probably best to replace it entirely.)

(Had a red one years ago with my 4870X2, apparently these "RSOD's" are usually specific to the graphics card so I guess you might be able to rule that out.)
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 17:56    Post subject:
Give this little program a try Sabs.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

I've used it quite a bit, and it gives out rather more info than the BSOD tells you Wink
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 17:56    Post subject:
Thanks JB! I'll run MemTest and see what happens, damned thing is pissing me off Sad

~edit~

And to you too Scara, thanks!



Always tcpip.sys Mad Mad Mad There were more entries, much more, I've had frequent BSODs for a few weeks now but I've cleaned out my error logs.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:18    Post subject:
Real men test by removing their memory sticks one at a time - that way you can keep using your PC while "testing".
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:19    Post subject:
Maybe tcpip.sys is just corrupted or even infected.

maybe a chkdsk /f can help. On a secure boot to command line.

And I'd run a system scan for viruses just to be sure. (Enventhough those are rare nowadays, but you never know. They often affect system files.)


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:25    Post subject:
@MinderMast

I plan to, but I'll run a MemTest first. These BSODs come at random so removing a stick means taking one out, waiting to see if it BSODs over the course of a day or two, then changing stick and doing it again. That'll take up to five days to really get a good indicator as to whether the sticks are to blame. MemTest is a test that can be one hour instead of a potential 88 Very Happy

@couleur

Aye, I've got a chkdsk queued up for the next reboot, I'm just waiting on a download to finish and I'll let it run. Also, a pretty reliable BSOD can be triggered via PS3MediaServer too -- if I've got that installed and I connect to XBMC on my Android TV stick and start transcoding a file, it's a 9/10 chance my machine will BSOD at some point during the film, again with tcpip.sys faulting module.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:28    Post subject:
BAD_POOL_HEADER is most of the time a driver problem, clean windows installation would be faster than trying every fucking shit

the other one could be almost everything, but my bet is on ram or hdd (maybe even sata cable defect). check those, please only 1 ram inserted at a time to test, and not under windows. use memtest bootcd (or the one included in ultimatebootcd)
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:29    Post subject:
I've got a MemTestx86 USB configured and ready to go. I'll do both sticks first, then try each one individually, followed by switching SATA cable just to be sure. Either way.. this whole thing has been pissing me right off and I'm sick of it. Hate random out-of-the-blue shit like this.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:36    Post subject:
Try resetting the TCP/IP stack -> netsh int ip reset (Admin command prompt)
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 18:44    Post subject:
From what you are saying, it sounds more like a software/driver related problem than a hardware problem.

If you've got the time you could install Windows on another disk/partition and see if the problem is reproducible. Or you could just do a complete reinstall.

That shit is exactly why I hate Windows sometimes. Never happened on OSX f.e.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 19:17    Post subject:
Okay, 2 passes and not a single issue. I also ran chkdsk and not a single issue.. AND I reset the IP stack. Now I just have to wait and see if another BSOD happens Sad Thanks for the tips everyone Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 20:09    Post subject:
the reset of the ip stack should happen after every shutdown (with 8.1 with every REAL shutdown)
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 20:20    Post subject:
In a past, started getting tcpip.sys BSODs after one of the Windows updates. Updating Realtek network drivers to the one recommended by Windows Update solved the problem.


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 20:52    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
the reset of the ip stack should happen after every shutdown (with 8.1 with every REAL shutdown)


Well Windows 8.1 has hybrid boot where their "shutdown" is actually a kind of suspend mode, so without disabling hybrid boot then this seems to to be the best method for resetting the stack.

WhiteBarbarian wrote:
In a past, started getting tcpip.sys BSODs after one of the Windows updates. Updating Realtek network drivers to the one recommended by Windows Update solved the problem.


I'm already using the WUpdate supplied Intel Gigabit drivers for my NIC Sad
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:00    Post subject:
or just use "shutdown /s /t 0" or use the metro ui with pressed shift key -> shut down
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:04    Post subject:
Aye, good call, but I actually like having the hybrid boot enabled.. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 21:46    Post subject:
So you are not using a wifi adapter, right? Try rolling back the network driver for testing.

Could also be related to a firewall/antivirus I guess.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 22:04    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
So you are not using a wifi adapter, right? Try rolling back the network driver for testing.

Could also be related to a firewall/antivirus I guess.


Nah, cabled all the way, and I can't roll back.. this is the driver that Windows installed. There's nothing to roll back to Neutral
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 22:59    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
I've got a MemTestx86 USB configured and ready to go. I'll do both sticks first, then try each one individually, followed by switching SATA cable just to be sure. Either way.. this whole thing has been pissing me right off and I'm sick of it. Hate random out-of-the-blue shit like this.
Could you link me what you're using please, I'm also seeing a "page fault in non paged area" BSOD every 2 weeks or so after waking up my PC from sleep and usually while browsing.

I've experienced some problems after removing my old audigy (was there just to cover the whole in the back of the case, really Laughing) and switching my AMDerp 6850 to an nDerpia 560TI so I'm half hoping that a format will solve it but I think I know better Sad

Worst case scenario everything is still under warranty so no big deal... hopefruitly.


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 23:13    Post subject:
http://www.memtest86.com/download.htm
http://www.memtest86.com/downloads/memtest86-usb.zip

Just stick a USB drive in your comp, run the prog, format, reboot and boot from USB. If you've got a UEFI mobo then you should be able to launch the USB/MiniLinux/thingy direct from inside UEFI.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th May 2015 23:14    Post subject:
Thank you, thank you.
And best of luck to you and your stick(s) J Browman


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 00:18    Post subject:
Another blue screen, this time all I did was click a link on NFO, no tab opening. Still tcpip.sys/netio.sys.

Someone post a tableflipping GIF. I can't be arsed Sad
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 00:37    Post subject:
Thank you, good sir.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 00:39    Post subject:
Do you have an antivirus/firewall installed? Or some kind of monitoring sofware like network monitor or wireshark?
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 00:42    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Do you have an antivirus/firewall installed? Or some kind of monitoring sofware like network monitor or wireshark?


I've got NetWorx, a bandwidth monitoring app, but I've had it for years across numerous Windows installs.. it's one of the very first apps I install and it's not caused issues before Sad As for AV, yeah, Avast. Same as NetWorx; had it years across multiple installs, no troubles before (well, no BSOD troubles at least)

I'll turn off NetWorx for a few days, see if that fixes anything.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 01:00    Post subject:
Maybe an AVAST update broke your shit. Why don't you uninstall both and reinstall if it doesn't make a difference? I believe disabling them doesn't remove their network filtering/hooks.

The settings should remain saved in the user's profile, so it's a minor annoyance.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 01:04    Post subject:
I've uninstalled NetWorx first, will wait and see what happens now. I'll take Avast if it still does it. Thanks VGA.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th May 2015 01:05    Post subject:
Sister's laptop also got half-bricked following some windows updates that she did (fuck you windows update) with a black screen and mouse pointer after logging in. Issue was solved after rolling back.

Probably not related to your issue, but she didn't run win update for quite a while.


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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