Something going on with my power supply
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 16:22    Post subject: Something going on with my power supply
So when i reboot my computer it starts making these weird sounds and my pc just stands still on the bios logo. It sounds like it tries to boot up something, but ultimately fails and automatically tries again and again and sometimes it works and it starts booting, but most of the times i have to shut the pc off and power up normally and it works. I don't have any issues at otherwise. Anyone recognize the issue? Naturally i'd wager my psu is dying and i need to have it replaced, but i sure wouldn't mind if that wasn't the case Razz
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 16:25    Post subject:
...and your PSU is?


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 16:29    Post subject:
You sure it's related to the PSU? I had this happen 4-5 times with my old system, and it got to a point in which only a CMOS reset would help so I thought it was related to my mobo or with my OC.

However my PSU died a month back so maybe you're right Laughing


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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 16:35    Post subject:
Yeah, some clicking sound came from the psu. Opened the case and checked.

escalibur wrote:
...and your PSU is?


Corsair TX 650
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 16:39    Post subject:
I would replace it if it is CWT's version. If you have warranty you can contact Corsair's support and solve it with them.


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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 16:44    Post subject:
it's 6 years old and it seems corsair have a 7 year warranty policy. But since this is so old, won't they claim it's wear and tear and tell me to buy a new one?

Edit: Screw it. I'd rather buy a new one than send it away and wait for a replacement.
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 18:04    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
Corsair TX 650
Yep, that was the one Laughing
Mine was a seasonic design but not even that mattered after 7-8 years, and luckily it didn't take anything else with it.

I got this one as a replacement:
http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/ts-bronze-series-full-wired/ts-series-550w-psu-p1-550s-xxb9
Another seasonic platform, but now a 550W one


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 19:08    Post subject:
Is it common for a psu to ruin hardware when it dies?

Fuck sake, was planning to buy a new hdd since i'm using an ancient WD 250GB for my OS Razz
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 19:12    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
it's 6 years old...



Omg. Change it as soon as you can mate. 6 years is quite long time for the best PSUs not speaking of (poosible made by CWT) TX 650.


Yes dying PSU can definitely take something with it so if I was you I wouldn't risk it.


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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 19:22    Post subject:
Ok, i'll make an order for a new cheap one. I don't need anything fancy. 5 hdd's, 770gtx, 4590k, so i guess a 550 should be sufficient. Don't really know anything when it comes to power usage. I always just bought something i knew would be good enough and never gave it a second thought Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 19:36    Post subject:
Don't pick a PSU based on 'promised' wattages. Do some research and buy a quality one. Quality may vary from dangerous to very good ones.


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 20:02    Post subject:
Problem is that i don't have the money to buy something extra fancy. Thinking about:
https://www.komplett.no/product/795137/datautstyr/strmforsyning/enheter/cooler-master-g550m-550w-psu#
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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 20:03    Post subject:
Just RMA it, it's still under warranty. You could still buy a new one if you feel like it.
And keep the replacement as extra.


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2015 20:42    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
Problem is that i don't have the money to buy something extra fancy. Thinking about:
https://www.komplett.no/product/795137/datautstyr/strmforsyning/enheter/cooler-master-g550m-550w-psu#


Sad


If you don't have enough money then the last thing you want to do is to waste your money on trash.

I suggest you XFX, SuperFlower Leadex, Corsair AX-seires, Seasonic Gold/Platinum, EVGA G2 etc...

Eg. get this: https://www.komplett.no/product/852772/datautstyr/strmforsyning/enheter/evga-power-supply-550w-gold (It's quality Super Flower PSU with EVGA's case)


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 01:24    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
Is it common for a psu to ruin hardware when it dies?

Fuck sake, was planning to buy a new hdd since i'm using an ancient WD 250GB for my OS Razz


common for cheap chinacrap psus without sufficient protection (worst case is even a fire). "normal" psus up from lets say ~45 euros upwards from manufacturers like enermax,corsair, be quiet whatever usually dont do that. but even with those it can happen in rare cases
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 07:11    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
Stormwolf wrote:
Is it common for a psu to ruin hardware when it dies?

Fuck sake, was planning to buy a new hdd since i'm using an ancient WD 250GB for my OS Razz


common for cheap chinacrap psus without sufficient protection (worst case is even a fire). "normal" psus up from lets say ~45 euros upwards from manufacturers like enermax,corsair, be quiet whatever usually dont do that. but even with those it can happen in rare cases


No offence but I would prefer others than Be Quiet PSUs. Smile Also Corsair is just a brand so quality of different models varies a lot.

JonnyGURU & TechPowerUP (and maybe even Kitguru) are trusty places to check how good/bad reviewed PSUs are.


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 08:16    Post subject:
Whats wrong about Be Quiet?

Its a brand that is commonly recommended in the geman forums I visit, notably computerbase.de and hardwareluxx.de .


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 09:26    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Whats wrong about Be Quiet?

Its a brand that is commonly recommended in the geman forums I visit, notably computerbase.de and hardwareluxx.de .



From my experience a lot of users had very bad experience with them and some of the units had very cheap electronics in them. Some models can surely be ok but I would still prefer japanese caps only-models.


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 09:29    Post subject:
Ok, well now you know a user that has a good experience with a 580 Watt be quiet! Straight Power E9 CM Modular 80+ Gold. Smile


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 10:29    Post subject:



ps. Stormwolf if you can get that EVGA G2. It has 10 years of warranty and it's made by Super Flower (all japanese caps). Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 12:07    Post subject:
be quiet had indeed a quality problem with one of their production lines a few years ago. but overall they are fine, even though i dont use or recommend them to others. just two days ago i got the old desktop of a friend, guess what? bequiet psu is dead Very Happy but its 7-8 years old and wasnt used the last three years so not such a surprise
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PostPosted: Thu, 10th Sep 2015 12:08    Post subject:
Does be quiet manufacture their own products? Maybe that's the case.


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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 00:00    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
Just RMA it, it's still under warranty. You could still buy a new one if you feel like it.
And keep the replacement as extra.


Good idea, i'll do that! well, only if i don't have to pay half the price in shipping of course.

Janz wrote:
Stormwolf wrote:
Is it common for a psu to ruin hardware when it dies?

Fuck sake, was planning to buy a new hdd since i'm using an ancient WD 250GB for my OS Razz


common for cheap chinacrap psus without sufficient protection (worst case is even a fire). "normal" psus up from lets say ~45 euros upwards from manufacturers like enermax,corsair, be quiet whatever usually dont do that. but even with those it can happen in rare cases


Had a psu catch fire once before. Was relaxing on my sofa watching tv series when i suddenly smelled smoke, and of course smoke started rising from the computer. Was easy to identify the culprit as the psu had turned black Laughing

But i'm also sure the priciest psu's can catch fire in rare cases.


escalibur wrote:




ps. Stormwolf if you can get that EVGA G2. It has 10 years of warranty and it's made by Super Flower (all japanese caps). Wink


Thanks, think i'll go for the one you suggested!


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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 00:39    Post subject:
sure even the priciest can catch fire. but its common with the usual crap sold with names like combat power, xilence and whatever or the older lc power ones (the newer ones arent that bad, but still crap). marketing writes 750w on it. they reach it, but for 5 secs and then explode. even what seems uncritical 450w or whatever cant be delivered stable from these cheap fire crackers. and they dont have protection circuits -> thats what can and will kill your other hardware in case of failure.

sure i had had failures with psus in the past, but rare (in my personal pc only one time, and nothing happened besides the psu was dead, got a replacement which still works fine in another pc) and nothing happened. worst case a bit "eletronic" smell, nothing burned, just the usual smell you may know from the motors of old carrera cars or whatever when they heated up

tl;dr: NEVER save money when buying a psu
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 01:27    Post subject:
I'll buy the EVGA G2 650W and that should be fine.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 07:30    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
I'll buy the EVGA G2 650W and that should be fine.



Very good choice. Remember to register it to EVGA to get 10 years of warranty.


http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=429 Wink



ps. If that Corsair is still under warranty why don't you send it to them and sell it's replacement?


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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 08:06    Post subject:
I ran GTX 780 SLI @ 1200 core and 2700K @ 4,8GHZ on my 660W platinum seasonic unit without any problems. System could pull nearly 800W from wall when cards were overvolted in 3Dmark firestrike Very Happy, fan barely started spinning on the PSU Laughing... These top end PSU´s can deliver so much more wattage on lower efficiency rating if you push them (this unit can do like 850W loads). I have another PSU and its Corsair TX750M (based on V2 model a.k.a CWT), that could not handle the cards overvolted, PC just rebooted in 3Dmark firestrike. Anyway good choice the EVGA one, those G2 units are one of the best.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 08:40    Post subject:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/seasonic-platinum-fanless-520w-power-supply-review/6/ Maximum load 641.5W Smile

http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/seasonic-platinum-1000w-modular-power-supply-review/6/ 1197W Smile


Seasonic's Platinums are fantastic PSUs as long as you get the one without coil whine. I had P-520 fanless and had to replace it because of it.


Even quality PSU can handle more than what it is specsed for it is not recommended to use them in that way in a long term. Choosing "overpowered" PSU is much better solution because the electonics inside can handle more power than what's PSU is using with your machine. This means that efficiency is so good so that electronics barely heat at all -> less noise if any.


Here is a great video where JonnyGuru explains something people like to argue about:



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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 11:35    Post subject:
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Choosing "overpowered" PSU is much better solution because the electonics inside can handle more power than what's PSU is using with your machine


möööööööööööööp, wrong! sure you shouldnt pick a 400w psu if you might need about 390w under load. BUT getting a 750w in that case is just stupid, cause its more pricey, and it will suck more power cause its loaded too low with 400w. a 500w psu would work much more power efficient
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 12:26    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
Quote:
Choosing "overpowered" PSU is much better solution because the electonics inside can handle more power than what's PSU is using with your machine


möööööööööööööp, wrong! sure you shouldnt pick a 400w psu if you might need about 390w under load. BUT getting a 750w in that case is just stupid, cause its more pricey, and it will suck more power cause its loaded too low with 400w. a 500w psu would work much more power efficient
Nope.
A good rule is: PSU wattage ~= 2x total system wattage under load, so the 750W will be more efficient than the 500W one.

Here you go


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